Flatter Day Saints
| Real name | unknown |
|---|---|
| Location on the globe | US |
| Main platform | YouTube |
| Papa flerf | unknown |
| Flerfzi? | yes |
| Religiflerf? | yes |
| Drinks urine? | Distills it first for maximum kidney failure |
| Adopted By | not adopted yet |
| Teeth | slightly less than full set |
Known Accounts
Debate Analysis
February 2025 Debate vs. ADHD Projects
FDS participated in a formal debate on Modern Day Debate channel against globe-earther ADHD Projects. The debate format was 10-minute opening statements followed by open discussion and Q&A.
Debate Style
FDS exhibited several characteristic flat earth debate tactics:
Burden of Proof Shifting: FDS opened by claiming he "doesn't need to defend flat earth because it's what our senses tell us" and that globe earth is the "extraordinary claim." When pressed to explain how southern star trails work on a flat earth, he repeatedly stated "I don't know, I've never been to the Southern Hemisphere."
Semantic Obstruction: FDS spent significant time arguing about definitions ("level" vs. "flat," "geometry" definitions) rather than addressing evidence. When ADHD cited Merriam-Webster's definition of level including "conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth's surface," FDS dismissed it.
Deflection and Topic Changing: When presented with evidence of horizon dip angles measured by theodolite, FDS claimed the photos showed the horizon "in the middle" despite clear evidence to the contrary. When asked to explain southern star trails, he pivoted to discussing the zodiac wheel.
Appeals to Unverified Sources: FDS cited an "Army Research Laboratory book called Propagation of Electromagnetic Fields Over Flat Earth" but admitted he hadn't read it. He also claimed cell phone signals don't go forever "because signals die out" while dismissing radar distance measurements to the sun and moon.
Personal Attacks: FDS called ADHD "disingenuous," "intellectually dishonest," and "bro" dismissively throughout the debate.
Evidence Presented
FDS attempted to use the following arguments:
- Zodiac Wheel: Claimed astrologers use flat earth models (without evidence)
- Airplanes: Stated "they're called airplanes because they go over a plane"
- Neil deGrasse Tyson Misquote: Claimed Tyson said earth looks flat from 120,000 feet (actually a misrepresentation of comments about fisheye lens distortion)
- Eratosthenes Experiment: Claimed it would work on flat earth (incorrect — the experiment measures angles consistent with a sphere)
- Density: Attempted to claim density explains falling objects, dismissed vacuum chamber experiments showing feathers and bowling balls falling at same rate
Key Failures
When asked directly to explain:
- Southern star trails rotating around a southern celestial pole: FDS admitted "I don't know" and claimed he "can't prove" the flat earth model
- How two observers in Australia and Africa can both look south and see stars rotating around the same point: FDS deflected and eventually admitted he had no explanation
- Sunset directions by hemisphere: Dismissed evidence without explanation
Closing Statement
FDS ended with a religious appeal: "If I were to die today, right now, before my Creator, I solemnly swear and attest to everything I said knowingly is true and observable." He then promoted his YouTube channel and invited viewers to debate "direct energy weapons, chemtrails and radium."
Verdict
FDS demonstrated typical flerf debate tactics: burden-shifting, definitional quibbling, dismissal of evidence without counter-evidence, and appeals to unverified conspiracy sources. When pressed on specifics of his own model, he repeatedly admitted ignorance or inability to explain observed phenomena.
Other Info
- Spreads QAnon conspiracy theories.
- Is responsible for creating the "Kid in a basement" rumor.