Flatzoid

Flatzoid

Real name	Keith Reynolds
Alias(es)	Flatzoid, Fkatzoid, Fitzoid, Kifazoid, Failzoid, Creality, Ratzoid
Location on the globe	South Africa
Main platform	YouTube
Papa flerf	Nathan Oakley (prior to a flerf-on-flerf)
Flerfzi?	Yes
Religiflerf?	Yes
Incel?	not yet confirmed
Drinks urine?	No
Adopted by	not adopted yet
Teeth	slightly less than full set

V • T • E

If you are interested in clips if Flatzoid's derp Jack of all Trades has a collection.

Known Accounts

• Creality Jesus Saves
• His Kingdom Is Flat
• @flatzoids.perspective

YouTube Account History

• Flatzoid FE
• Flatzoids Perspective
• Creality

Other Info

• Keith Reynolds, known online as Flatzoid, is a South African flat Earth proponent.
• He has engaged in debates with fellow flat Earther Nathan Oakley, leading to a flerf-on-flerf spat.
• He was associated with the “Flatzoid’s Kids” Rumor, which he has helped start and perpetuate.
• While trying to deface this very web site, Flatzoid leaked his IP address: 41.193.212.184
• He rebranded his YouTube channel to Creality on 5th April 2025
• He renamed the channel again to "Creality Jesus Saves" on 11th April 2025
• Winner of the 2025 Top left award

Updated Definition

In 2025 Webster's Dictionary updated the definition of "unemployable" to include a photo of Fkatzoid.

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Accusations

Will Duffy

In multiple videos Flatzoid claims that Will Duffy said that deception is good. That's not true. Will said that according to the bible, lying is not inherently evil.

Brenda

Flatzoid brought up a video claiming it shows Brenda, even though it's someone else, to defame not just her, but the entire globe community.

Lisbeth

Flatzoid calls Lisbeth Acosta a "village bicycle".

Flatzoid made further accusations about Lisbeth and the TFE crew in general.

Flatzoid claimed that Jeran Campenalla had half naked photos of Lisbeth Acosta broadcast during a livestream: We literally have seen a picture of Lisbeth half naked for Jeran.

The photo seen in Jeran's live stream, was of his wife. Jeran censored the photo now. Flatzoid dishonest as always just asserted that it was Lisbeth.

Other defamatory quotes from Flatzoid:

• "That whole group is a perverted nonsense idiotic people and frankly they need to get a life."
• "We all know why um Lisbeth went with on the group. Have you ever heard of the um of the saying before village bicycle?"
  • https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Village%20Bicycle

He doubles down on his accusation.

Flatzoid: You know McToon brought out a video guys, earlier and uh we called uh you know Village Bicycle. Um Sprouts of Doom don't come in here saying silly horrible things like I do, I just hear it from the channel, you got it. Anyway you see the difference between uh Lisbeth and my wife, Lisbeth sends nude pictures to uh Jeran, my wife doesn't do that to anybody. So get your facts straight mate. Oh that actually, we literally have, we literally have seen a picture of Lisbeth half naked for Jeran.

Pretending to apologize

Wrong picture

He later apologized about showing another picture than the one he saw on Jeran's stream. No attempt of apologizing about his wrongful accusations.

Misrepresentation

Another pathetic attempt of an apology is his video Flatzoid No More, where once again he doesn't retract his accusations, but instead blames the globe side for misrepresenting him.

Calling the rest of TFE participants masonic perverts

He also tried to backtrack about his accusations about Lisbeth by calling everyone else involved in TFE the perverts. As if changing the target makes his accusations any better.

Flatzoid: Lisbeth can come talk to me anytime, I'll show much respect to her because I don't mean any disrespect to her. I'm just simply pointing out the other perverted idiots.

He doubles down on it.

Flatzoid: Let me put it this way. I didn't say anything about her. They misrepresented what I said. I was uh referencing the guys, the reason they wanted her to go, based on Freemason ritual. That was the context. I didn't call her a prostitute, didn't say she was a village bicycle, literally just saying what they needed her for. That's it.

He goes even further.

Flatzoid: No the thing is, how how freemasonic, how are freemasonic rituals work, based on uh certain things. When you get to a certain, a certain level of masonry they have um rituals based on a sexual kind, unfortunately and they usually um use an innocent person for this, and uh that's where the village bicycle thing comes in. You can actually have a lot of testimonies where people were used for this ritual. Innocent girls or innocent women and stuff for this, and it's usually based on a lot of times the the men take their own children or wives or people they know for this and uh they get sexually abused and go through a ritual and everything, which is bad. Like I saying we, they made it look like we were calling her a prostitute and saying she's a village bicycle. That's not true. We were saying, the reason they wanted her there because it's based on the context of them being Freemasons. So they turned it around now, they turned it around now and said we called her a village bicycle, called her a prostitute, which is not true. We didn't say she would even even take partake in any of that like we said all the time.

There is no context whatsoever suggesting there was any kind sexual ritual, even if we assume the TFE guys were Freemasons. Somehow he thinks that it's OK to make accusations about people by first calling them Freemasons.

Misspeaking about it being a nude photo

The next backtracking he does is saying that he misspoke about it being a nude picture and he apologizes about claiming that Lisbeth sent the photo. Instead he is blaming Jeran for simply having a photo, which Flatzoid asserts to be Lisbeth.

Flatzoid: I shouldn't have said nude. I did fix myself afterwards and said nearly nude. Though, well, yeah, so yeah. Again that was in reply to uh McToon coming in and uh you know slandering my wife and bringing my wife into the argument.

Roger Ledwell: the question is why would he get a nearly nude photo of Lisbeth in the first place?

Flatzoid: Yes that one. Why, now again, I, I shouldn't have said Lisbeth sent it to her so that was wrong, cuz he could have got it off her profiles, you know what I mean?

Roger Ledwell: that's all I said

Flatzoid: But that was a misspeak. Sorry about that Lisbeth I didn't mean to say you sent it. It was just, I was caught off guard with McToon coming in and bringing my wife into it so that I didn't mean to say sending but yeah, it's just, I should have said it's weird that you would have pictures like that. You know what I mean?

Note that Fkatzoid was claiming that MCToon was in the video livestream chat. This is a lie because Fkatzoid loves censorship so much that he has MCToon blocked on his channel so it's impossible.

He claims that he is not attacking Lisbeth, by attacking others

Flatzoid also claims that he didn't attack Lisbeth, because he didn't make live streams or videos about her, like he did with MCToon, Dave McKeegan and Will Duffy. Admitting to attack someone else to avoid admitting to attack Lisbeth, doesn't help his case.

Flatzoid: I mean if I really wanted to attack her, would I have not made a video by now or a live stream about it? Like I've been doing with McToon and McKeegan and Duffy. Would make live streams about it correct? Or videos?

Jeran

Revenge porn

Flatzoid received some revenge porn of Jeran Campanella. On April 1, 2025 Flatzoid boasted about this on his livestream and gave a highly distorted description that suggested there was a child victim involved:

Flatzoid admitting the video showed no crime

Flatzoid: Every time the guy’s name comes up I just think of those videos sent to me.

SSUM: I haven’t seen ’em.

Flatzoid: You don’t want to. But let me put into context one of the videos. It’s a child’s torso, and he’s … [Flatzoid strikes his desk repeatedly].

SSUM: Wow.

Roger Ledwell: Nice.

Two days later, when Peter Markley was challenging him on this, Flatzoid admitted the object in the video was actually some type of “doll” and that no crime was depicted.

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Claiming Jeran is a pervert

In his fake apology to Lisbeth while Flatzoid was watching Dave McKeegan's stream, he shifted the blame to Jeran.

Flatzoid: Um, oh, and I want to point out yes, uh everybody in the flat earth community knows just what Jeran sends to females and expects them to send to him.

PJ: He's disgusting

Flatzoid: So I'm not going to say anything further than that. Again not slander, not saying anything. If you don't believe me you can ask any other flatearther about the stuff. I don't want to say anything. I just say "Pray for the guy he's very perverted." That's it.

MCToon

Flatzoid repeated the “Kid in a basement” rumor about MCToon.

Flatzoid: I've got a statement from McToon who just came in, which I just blocked, um maybe you want to let go of the children tied to the pole in your basement.

He also claims that MCToon is perverted, because he is friends with Jeran.

Flatzoid: McToon you can also come in and talk because I'm more than happy to tell you how perverted you are because everybody knows how perverted you are. You buddy buddy with Jeran.

Flatearthers who left

According to Flatzoid many of the people who reached out to people like Dave McKeegan, to say why they left flat earth, are just fabricated accounts.

Flatzoid: I want to point out so many of these what he's claiming are fabricated fake accounts.

Statements

Union Glacier Location

Flatzoid: I do think that they're being duped to think they're at Antarctica. I don't think Union Glacier is really at Antarctica. I think that's at a different location and it's placed as Antarctica.

Where is the South Pole?

Will Duffy: Where is the South Pole?

Flatzoid: It's a ceremonial Place.

Will Duffy: And where is it?

Flatzoid: At the ceremonial South Pole place, where they put the pole up.

Claiming that people defending themselves when accused of lying means that they are guilty

Flatzoid: See, that's the one thing that I've realized, especially with this um topic. If you call out deception, which I do a lot, the fact that they come and they try and, uh how can I say, defend it towards me shows that they're guilty because one thing I've realized through years is, if someone is not feeling guilty about things they just ah leave it and they go on, or they make one video just you know um saying, okay I respond to it and they go on with their lives. These guys make it them life's mission to try and discredit me to try and defend saying they're not deceptive.

That's rich coming from someone who made it his mission to discredit Will Duffy and the other TFE participants. He has over 20 videos lying about TFE or the TFE participants.

Flatzoid and his Jerkell discussing the South Pole

David Sanch: So, you know they have the South Pole station and they claim that that place was found because someone came from like the north of Antarctica and went South following the Stars until they got to that place, and then someone from the south of Antarctica went like, also straight to that place, but like I don't know about the exact Direction, but they're saying that they came from two opposite sides of Antarctica. They followed the sky and they met in one geographic location where all the stars were circling around one point in the sky.

Flatzoid: Now what happened is the one person went and he placed a tent there then later on another person came and found the tent there and they declared it as the geographic South Pole.

For a proper explanation about how the South Pole was discovered Will Duffy made a great video explaining it.

Lies

Tiny Captain has a nice compilation of Flatzoid's lies.

General Lies

11 Frames

Flatzoid's most famous lie is him removing 11 frames in a video of a capsule splashdown. Reds Rhetoric made a video about that. Critical Think has a shorter summary.

Becoming Fkatzoid

During MCToon's livestream Flattys are Eating Their Own , Toon checked if Flatzoid had his email address on his channel. Flatzoid didn't and to hide it he quickly added his email address, and was caught mistyping it as fkatzoid@gmail.com. He tried to cover it up by claiming that Toon changed the HTML, even though Toon couldn't have done that as he shared his screen at the time, showing everyone how he refreshed the page. Furthermore Toon would have had to add all the stuff that were removed after Flatzoid updated his about page.

Bible says Earth is flat

Flatzoid had a bet with Shawn Hawkins about the bible saying that Earth is flat.

For that Flatzoid brought up 2 Samuel 11:11 of two very obscure bibles.

• The Matthew's Bible: And Vrias sayd vnto Dauid: the arck and Israel & Iuda dwell in pauilions: & my Lord Ioab and the seruauntes of my Lorde lye in tentes vpon the flat earthe: and shulde I then go into myne house, to eate and to dryncke & to lye wyth my wyfe? By thy lyfe and as sure as thy soule lyueth, I wyll not do that thyng.
• The Great Bible: Urias answered Dauid. The arcke & Israel and Iuda dwell in pauylyons: and my Lorde Ioab and the seruauntes of my Lorde lye vpon the flatt erthe: and shall I then go into myne house, to eate, and to dryncke, and lye wyth my wyfe? By thy lyfe and by the lyfe of thy soule, I wyll not do thys thynge.

When looking through other translation it becomes obvious that that passage talks about an open area.

NASA changing curriculum

One of Flatzoid's Jerkell claims that the study A CROSS-CULTURAL INVESTIGATION OF CHILDREN'S CONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE EARTH, THE SUN AND THE MOON: GREEK AND AMERICAN DATA was given a grant by NASA.

The claim is that the National Science Foundation (NSF) is an arm of NASA, which Flatzoid simply accepted without checking. By simply looking up that foundation what do we find?

The U.S. National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency that supports science and engineering in all 50 states and U.S. territories.

NSF was established in 1950 by Congress to:

• Promote the progress of science.
• Advance the national health, prosperity and welfare.
• Secure the national defense.

We fulfill our mission chiefly by making grants. Our investments account for about 25% of federal support to America's colleges and universities for basic research: research driven by curiosity and discovery. We also support solutions-oriented research with the potential to produce advancements for the American people.

Flatzoid and his Jerkell blame NASA for something they have nothing to do with.

Not watching globe content

Flatzoid made it clear that he was no longer going to rebut or watch globe videos, and yet he is still being caught commenting on videos and lying about that.

Flatzoid: I will not be rebutting any videos from these guys anymore, not be watching any of their content, if they have tagged me. I will not bother to even watch it anymore.

All images of Earth are composites

Flatzoid: According to NASA none (of the images of Earth) is real. They're all composites.

It's of course a lie that all the images of Earth are composites. Also composite doesn't mean fake. A composite is essentially a bunch of photos stitched together.

The most famous example of a single frame photograph of Earth is of course the Blue Marble of 1972.

This classic photograph of the Earth was taken on Dec. 7, 1972, by the crew of Apollo 17.

For more photos of Earth taken during the Apollo missions you can visit the Apollo Image Atlas.

Lying about the globe

Sunrise in Uvongo

Flatzoid went to Uvongo on a holiday and while there he measured the direction of the sunrise. His phone showed 122°. When comparing it with Google Earth, he claims that the right line is 122°.

Google Earth actually shows that the right line is 118°.

Celestial Navigation

FTFE asked Flatzoid to show one citation that states that a circle of equal altitude is flat and level. The citation provided by Flatzoid appears at first glance to support that statement.

FTFE showed that the same document shows that the previous diagram is just a simplification. Directly after it shows the circle on the curved surface of the globe.

Sun is Helios

Flatzoid claims that the sun is the sun god Helios. The model being named after a god doesn't make it a god.

Flatzoid: If you want to take it on belief systems according to the heliocentric belief system the sun is Helios. It actually um denotes coming from the sun god Helios where all life comes from. Yes even in the heliocentric model you guys believe you require Helios the sun god to give life upon the earth, so you require Helios to be your master.

The sun is not the god Helios, and no one but religious flerfs claims that to be the case.

Globe belief is a cult

According to Flatzoid the globe belief is a cult.

Flatzoid: Do you know your globe belief is a cult? Do you know why it's a cult? Because the only people through history who believed opposite of every civilization in history were the pagan Greeks. They believed that um the moon had to be spherical because of shadows and then they believed because of that the earth had to be a a ball.

First of all the Greeks weren't pagan. Paganism is essentially an insult that Christians made up to talk about other religions. Christianity didn't even exist at the time of the ancient Greeks.

Second the claim that the Greeks are the only people through history who believed the opposite of every other civilization is simply a lie. A modern example of a group of people who go against every current civilization, are flatearthers. Every current civilization determined that Earth is a globe, and flatearthers claim it's not. Using Flatzoid's logic, flat earth belief is a cult as he goes against every current civilization.

Third the Greeks being the first to properly observe and measure Earth's shape doesn't make it a cult. Every other civilization over time realized that Earth is indeed a globe and they adopted it and did their own measurements independent of the others.

TFE and Antarctica

Sun going behind Mount Rossman

Flatzoid used a clip of Dave McKeegan saying that the sun was going behind Mount Rossman. In this context it simply means that the sun is further away than the mountain in the same direction as the mountain. It doesn't mean that the Mountain blocked the sun. Jeran shortly after in the same video was in Union Glacier Camp, where the sun can actually be blocked by the mountain at the end of the camp closest to the mountain.

Toon and Duffy aging

In the same video as in the previous lie, Flatzoid also claims that Toon and Will aged a lot, by comparing a video taken by a phone by one of the organisers of the Antarctica marathon, with the videos taken in Will's and Toon's home respectively. Something flerfs haven't done is to compare the videos Toon and Duffy took earlier in the year with the footage after TFE when the conditions are the same. It's like they know it won't work if they do that.

Union Glacier Camp not visible

Another lie is the claim that Toon and Duffy filmed the site off season, when Union Glacier Camp wasn't set up, because the camp isn't visible in the footage. In reality the camp is simply lower than halfway-point, where TFE was, as shown by the drone footage.

Marathon runner breath

In a discussion with Witsit, Flatzoid claimed at the beginning that the breath of the marathon runners was always visible.

Flatzoid: We showed a video of the marathon runners there a day earlier and their breath was showing the whole time and they were also at Union Glacier. So why was it possible that their breath is always showing and your guys wasn't?

When Witsit calls him out on that, he claims that he never said that we can always see the breath of the marathon runners.

Flatzoid: Now you are lying because you didn't watch any of my content so when did I say we always see their breath? [...] I said most of the time.

Flatzoid claims TFE was rendered in Unreal Engine

During a debate between Flatzoid and Dave McKeegan, Flatzoid claimed that he thinks that TFE could have been done in Unreal Engine.

Flatzoid: My uh idea is how they could have faked it was Duffy or someone could have gone earlier and and got high def HDRs uh surround environments of Antarctica, because when you look at the in the footage we don't see Union Glacier anywhere around there and they're only about 1.5 km away you should see Union Glacier camp we don't see Union Glacier camp at Mount Rossman. So that shows that they were either probably there when it was off-season when there were no tourists available, they were able to get their uh environment done, HDR environment done, and they could make recreate it in Unreal Engine 5 if they wanted to and therefore when they did all really go down in December they were able to just fake the sky and have the rest as a real environment.

Dave McKeegan made a great video about how it's not possible to use Unreal Engine to fake TFE.

As for the camp not being visible, that was already explained before.

Camera glitching means that the video is fake?

In the discussion with Dave McKeegan, Dave showed the footage on his insta 360. Unfortunately the camera glitched and showed a green frame. Flatzoid, dishonest as usual, took that as evidence of fakery.

Plane flight ceiling

According to Flatzoid the flight ceiling of planes flying over Antarctica is 13,000 feet.

Flatzoid: Why they have a ceiling of 13,000 ft when flying in Antarctica?

Of course that's a lie. The planes fly at over 35,000 ft. Apparently Flatzoid already looked that up himself.

Green Screen

Flatzoid tried to show how TFE was faked by supposedly using a green screen, completely ignoring that the TFE team already showed that it's not possible for them to have used a green screen.

Showcasing His Stupidity

Math

Flatzoid doesn't understand variables in geometry

Flatzoid thinks he understands geometry better than anyone else. But in this post he demonstrates that he has no idea. The correct answer is arctan(opposite/adjacent). He wrote 45° which would be wrong even for this example as the triangle is very clearly not a 45-45-90 triangle.

Angle is a hypotenuse?

Flatzoid thinks that an angle is a hypotenuse. The clip is in one of FTFE's videos, as I couldn't find the original video.

Flatzoid: the 45 degree that you at the sun [...] would that be a hypotenuse of a right angle triangle?

Here is an example of what the hypotenuse actually is. The hypotenuse is side a, the side opposite of the right angle at point A. As you can see a hypotenuse does not represent a 45° angle, as none of the angles in the following example even is 45°. Even with 45° angles, a hypotenuse doesn't represent an angle.

Measurements and calculations

Flatzoid doesn't understand that you can measure things through calculations.

Flatzoid: Obviously they calculate the earth circumference. I want to point out calculate is not measured. There's a difference between calculation and measured because if you measured it you'd have to physically know what to do, and because the earth is so large and there's no way to actually measure the earth other than um the instruments we got today, which is based off of a horizontal measurement and then calculate it into whatever you need it to be. So yes calculations um measurements are two different things and that's why they calculated the circumference not measured it. So they assumed there is a sphere they assumed there is a radius they took a measurement of an angle and that angle was then calculated to give the radius circumference.

You can measure things with calculations. It's simple geometry. For example you can measure Earth's circumference by measuring the angle of shadows between two locations a known distance apart. That's how Eratosthenes measured Earth's circumference.

Physics

Sunglare needs an atmosphere?

Flatzoid claimed that glare needs an atmosphere while he was looking at photos taken by Blue Ghost from the moon.

Flatzoid doesn't understand perspective and reference frames

Dave McKeegan explained in a video how Flatzoid doesn't understand perspective parallax etc, by using a video made by UThink. Flatzoid reviews that video and demonstrates once again he doesn't understand it.

Flatzoid thinks that if Earth moves, the roundabout in the animation, that the camera must move relative to the ground to keep the table in view.

Magnetism vs Gravity

In a discussion between Flatzoid and FTFE, they were comparing gravity and magnetism. Flatzoid is fine with changing the magnetic field by adding charge, but at the same time he doesn't accept changing mass to change the force of gravity.

Haze

Flatzoid doesn't understand that haze makes the sun look smaller.

Flatzoid: I want to point out look at the sun does that look anything like we saw from their footage?

SSUM: Not even close.

???: Not even close, nope.

Flatzoid: Look how at the angular size. That's quite odd.

Water

According to Flatzoid water at rest doesn't curve.

In fact it does curve when at rest. The fact that it's caused by surface tension doesn't change that water at rest is curving.

If we go to larger scales, water is never at rest because of currents, wind, and other forces acting on it.

Second Law of Thermodynamics

According to Flatzoid the second law of thermodynamics states that gas pressure needs a container, which is wrong.

Flatzoid: According to the second law of thermodynamics, gas pressure will require containment. Why? Because gas will always seek to available uh space, and if we don't have this uh containment holding it in, it will have, what we call free expansion of gas, so it will expand freely into the available space around it. So if space is real and you have no container, the gas we breathe will just all fill that available space and therefore we'd all be dead. Well and eventually it'll lose its elasticity, it'll stop bouncing off stuff and it it it'll lose its energy, gas pressure, because gas moves in all directions constantly. It would have to have a um a collision to come back. The fact we have gas where we are means it's having collisions to come back.

Some definitions of the Second Law of Thermodynamics:

William Thomson (Lord Kelvin): A cyclic transformation whose only final result is to transform heat extracted from a source which is at the same temperature throughout into work is impossible.

Rudolf Clausius: A cyclic transformation whose only final result is to transfer heat from a body at a given temperature to a body at a higher temperature is impossible.

As anyone can see at a glance, the law talks about heat and temperature, not about gas pressure.

Globe

Flatzoid confuses East and West

When Critical Think had a discussion with a flerf friend, his friend stated that the sun is West of his position in Brisbane Australia, while it was South of Union Glacier. Flatzoid tried debunking it by confusing East and West. He took down his videos after Rachie 00000 called him out.

Flatzoid also doesn't understand South

In another live stream, Flatzoid demonstrates that he also doesn't understand how to travel South on the globe.

Flatzoid and the South pole

Flatzoid thinks that the existence of the South pole in reality is a straw-man, because the flat earth doesn't have a South pole. He also doesn't understand that 90° is not a single location on a flat earth. It's only a single location on the globe. Will Duffy asked him to point out where 90° South is on a map, which of course Flatzoid couldn't answer and just kept deflecting.

In case Flatzoid reads the wiki. The sign of Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station shows Antarctica as the continent it is on the globe.

In another stream, Flatzoid's panel talks about there being seven South Poles and Flatzoid just accepts that as truth.

Sun is North of Union Glacier?

While discussing The Final Experiment's observation of the Sun in Antarctica, Flatzoid referred to the Time and Date's map on their website for December 14, 2024, and said that since the Sun's icon was placed north of Antarctica on the map at local midnight, the participants of TFE were lying because they saw the Sun towards their South, as it should have been North of them.

The first mistake he made is that he use midnight UTC, which is not local midnight. At that time the sun is West of the TFE camp.

Local Midnight is around 6:00 UTC.

The second mistake is that he treated a cylindrical map projection as representative of globe geometry (just like flerfs do when claiming flight paths don’t work on a globe). This is so elementary as to be plainly dishonest.

On the globe the actual position of the sun is indeed South of Union Glacier at local midnight in the direction of Mount Rossman. The worst part is that Flatzoid actually knows that. He showed that in a previous stream where he confused East and West using Google Earth.

In case Flatzoid complains about the compass in the top right corner showing North towards the left, that's because my position above the globe is slightly left of the South Pole. It's in the direction of South from the position of the TFE camp.

South Celestial Pole

Flatzoid doesn't understand how you can use the stars around a celestial pole to navigate.

Flatzoid: If you've ever used navigation with the Stars and stuff, which I have in the bush, yet you can't tell you're going exactly straight by following a star because the stars are following a circular path. You're following that that um that star you are following its circular path. So you think you're going straight but you're actually taking a circular path.

David Sanch: All right but we have latitude though. Like we talked about the 69 nautical miles you're able to go in a straight line from the North Pole of Polaris straight down one degree, one degree, one degree, all the way until you get to the equator correct, and stay in a straight line.

Flatzoid: The thing is Stars always travel east to west. Okay, you would agree that's taking a circular route.

David Sanch: Yeah, yeah, but you're you're not focusing on those Stars you're just focusing on Polaris.

Flatzoid: No, no, no, so if you no not Polaris I'm saying Stars so if you're focusing on following, let's say the Southern Cross which is taking, yeah a circular path east to west of the sky you are following that circular path you're not going straight.

David Sanch:No you want to just find what is rotating around and you go straight at that.

Flatzoid: So you're not taking a straight path so in other words it's taking...

Michael Khan: There's no star to look we we seen in itself that that thing that they say it's rotating around. There isn't a star there.

David Sanch: But you could, you could place your own imaginary Star right in the center and just travel towards that.

Michael Khan: You can because you you only see them rotating Stars when someone does a star Trail time lapse on a boat in South. You're not seeing Stars doing a circular motion.

Flatzoid: Yeah, you don't don't long exposure you don't do long exposure to look at stars.

Michael Khan: Only Stars the probably use that Southern Cross for navigation itself like Flatzoid says they're constantly moving.

David Sanch: So you're you're saying there 100% is no South Celestial pole?

Flatzoid: No not as what the globe claims.

Michael Khan: No cuz I know flat there.

Flatzoid: Yeah ceremonial there's no Geographic South Pole. Now David why you would like to disprove something which you can't.

Here is a photo of the celestial South Pole taken at the South African Large Telescope.

Flatzoid even explains how he doesn't understand the difference between the South Celestial Pole and the Pole Star.

Flatzoid: The so-called south celestial pole you're talking about doesn't exist, because it's a globe claim. For a south celestial pole to exist means you got a globe with a north and a south axial tilt. There is no axial tilt of a globe, so therefore there is no south celestial pole. Now there is an observed observation seeming for the stars in the south to go around a point, which doesn't have a south celestial pole, because there is no south celestial pole uh star. To say they've assigned it to the closest uh star would be Sigma Octantis, which is hardly visible anyway. Um so this is again him just ignoring all these things told to him before, and yes you are able to have those observations because if it's a reflection from the north to the south on the dome. You will see the inverse which is the same as seeing it in the opposite direction as you call it, which is practically just you not understanding that direction is always east to west, but your perception on your location gives you appears to be right to left or left to right. It's always the same operation.

A celestial pole is the point around which the stars appear to move around. There are two, directly above the geographic North and South Pole. A polestar is a star that's closest to the celestial pole.

Stars

He is also claiming that the stars didn't change over the millenia. That of course is another lie. The stars did change over the years. Their positions are recorded in nautical almanacs, which Flatzoid of course never opened.

Polaris for example moved.

• 1850: 88° 30′ 35.28″ with an annual movement of 19.27″
• 1900: 88° 46′ 26.72′ with an annual movement of 18.762″
• 2017: 89° 20.3′ annual movement is listed elsewhere in the almanac.

The question which he will never attempt to answer is, how does he know what position the stars were a thousand or so years ago? At best we get an answer like Look at the stars.

Predictions

Flatzoid thinks that falsifying a prediction from the globe, which he hasn't managed to do yet, proves a flat earth. Of course when any flat earth prediction fails, he just ignores it.

North Pole and South Pole

Flatzoid thinks the Poles are defined by an universal Up and Down for the globe.

Flatzoid: You know what's also funny? Guys has always claimed there's no up and down on the globe, but why do, why is there a thing called the North Pole and the South Pole?

The poles are defined by the axis of rotation.

The poles of astronomical bodies are determined based on their axis of rotation in relation to the celestial poles of the celestial sphere.[...]

The International Astronomical Union (IAU) defines the north pole of a planet or any of its satellites in the Solar System as the planetary pole that is in the same celestial hemisphere, relative to the invariable plane of the Solar System, as Earth's north pole.

North doesn't mean up and South doesn't mean down.

Glaciers aren't icebergs

Flatzoid confuses glaciers and icebergs.

Flatzoid: Maybe, um maybe Mr Duffy doesn't do his homework, like he claims to do. Union Glacier is a glacier it's not Antarctica.

SSUM: right

Flatzoid: It's ice. You're on a glacier. You're on a big block of ice.

???: Like a plateau, a giant plateau.

Flatzoid: you have to go deeper to reach Antarctica. Actually they claim it's part of Antarctica but it's just the outer edges, the how can I put it, the Stup.

SSUM: The shoreline.

Flatzoid: Yeah the shoreline. The, the Ice, yeah, it's not actually the land.

Glaciers are ice masses on land.

A glacier (US: /ˈɡleɪʃər/; UK: /ˈɡlæsiə/ or /ˈɡleɪsiə/) is a persistent body of dense ice, a form of rock, that is constantly moving downhill under its own weight. A glacier forms where the accumulation of snow exceeds its ablation over many years, often centuries. It acquires distinguishing features, such as crevasses and seracs, as it slowly flows and deforms under stresses induced by its weight. As it moves, it abrades rock and debris from its substrate to create landforms such as cirques, moraines, or fjords. Although a glacier may flow into a body of water, it forms only on land and is distinct from the much thinner sea ice and lake ice that form on the surface of bodies of water.

Furthermore, Union Glacier is over 700 km away from the closest shoreline.

Not seeing Polaris

Flatzoid: The reason I can't see Polaris from my house is because I got a mountain around me.

Even without mountains, Polaris is not visible in South Africa.

Moon

Moon's shape through observation

Faltzoid doesn't understand that you can determine the shape of the moon through observation.

Flatzoid: How did they establish first of all that the moon was physically a sphere? Maybe it looks spherical and it looks like there's a shadow on it but can you really claim that is, what it is or does it just seem to look that way?

Yes Flatzoid, you can determine an objects shape by looking at it, unless you want to discard all your "Earth looks flat, therefore it must be flat" claims.

There is something called Lunar Libration, where you can see that the moon is indeed a sphere.

In lunar astronomy, libration is the cyclic variation in the apparent position of the Moon that is perceived by observers on the Earth and caused by changes between the orbital and rotational planes of the moon. It causes an observer to see slightly different hemispheres of the surface at different times. It is similar in both cause and effect to the changes in the Moon's apparent size because of changes in distance. It is caused by three mechanisms detailed below, two of which cause a relatively tiny physical libration via tidal forces exerted by the Earth. Such true librations are known as well for other moons with locked rotation.

Moon orientation

Flatzoid accidentally debunked the flat earth. He showed that the moon in South Africa is rotated, like the globe predicts, but not any flat earth.

Lunar eclipses

Flatzoid claims that predicting lunar eclipses isn't globe based just because people were able to predict them centuries ago. As usual no flerf will ever present a working mechanism for how a lunar eclipse is possible on a flat earth. He is also completely ignoring that the people at the time at best predicted the date, but not the exact time and location. It's more drastic for solar eclipses, as unlike the lunar eclipses, solar eclipses are only visible for a small part of Earth.

Flatzoid doesn't realize that the exposure was different when the moon eclipsed. So the moon appeared brighter.

It's funny that for Flatzoid a slight adjustment is deception when Danny Faulkner does it, but when Dave Weiss rotated the camera by a lot more it's just accepted as valid. Bob the Science Guy shows that in his video.

Here is an illustration showing how the shadow on the moon should look like according to the globe. Of course no flerf will ever show how it's supposed to look like on a flat earth, or how a lunar eclipse is even possible.

Aviation

Flatzoid doesn't understand down

Flatzoid reviews the discussion between Will Duffy and Wolfie6020. Wolfie explains the direction of down and what horizontal is on the globe. Flatzoid demonstrates once again that he doesn't understand up and down or aviation even when it has literally been explained to him a few seconds before. He thinks that all horizontals are parallel and that the pitch data to change when flying around the globe.

Gyroscopes and Artificial Horizon

At the same time in the video as for the previous claim, Flatzoid also claims that gyroscopes are set at the start airport and then just keep their orientation. At the end of the discussion between Will and Wolfie, Wolfie shows that the gyroscopes adjust according to gravity. Flatzoid didn't even get to that part of the video.

WheresWally made a video explaining Flatzoid's wrong understanding of the pitch data.

Dave McKeegan also made a video explaining pitch data.

Basics of flying

For information about aeronautics in general, the FAA has a great handbook about the topic. Flatzoid of course never opened any book about aeronautics.

Flatzoid thinks that the mass of an aircraft doesn't matter once the plane is in the air. He really doesn't have a clue about aviation.

Flatzoid: If you know how a plane works Duffy. It's not going to worry about the weight of the plane because it's already in the air. it's just basically a dance of thrust, thrust and friction to keep it up in the air. That's all it is. The only time you worry about weight on a plane is takeoff. That's where you got to worry about it because you wouldn't be able to take off if it's too heavy. So Duffy doesn't have a clue how planes work, does he?

???: And a plane would has to create a lift effect to start with.

Flatzoid: Yeah, and the reason they don't take that into account is because it's got nothing to do with what they are training for they're training to fly yeah they pl they're training to fly over the earth which is a non-moving flat plane.

Flatzoid should actually learn what he is talking about. He really is top left personified. No clue about anything while thinking he knows everything.

The FAA has a very thorough explanation about the aerodynamics of flight.

The four forces acting on an aircraft in straight-and-level, unaccelerated flight are thrust, drag, lift, and weight. They are defined as follows:

• Thrust — the forward force produced by the powerplant/propeller or rotor. It opposes or overcomes the force of drag. As a general rule, it acts parallel to the longitudinal axis. However, this is not always the case, as explained later.
• Drag — a rearward, retarding force caused by disruption of airflow by the wing, rotor, fuselage, and other protruding objects. As a general rule, drag opposes thrust and acts rearward parallel to the relative wind.
• Lift — is a force that is produced by the dynamic effect of the air acting on the airfoil, and acts perpendicular to the flight path through the center of lift (CL) and perpendicular to the lateral axis. In level flight, lift opposes the downward force of weight.
• Weight — the combined load of the aircraft itself, the crew, the fuel, and the cargo or baggage. Weight is a force that pulls the aircraft downward because of the force of gravity. It opposes lift and acts vertically downward through the aircraft’s center of gravity (CG).

Cameras

Lens flares

Flatzoid doesn't understand that the lens flares will be the same after 24 hours when using the same camera pointed at the sun at the same angle, which is the case when the camera is mounted on a rotating tripod.

He also doesn't understand that different lenses result in different flares.

Flatzoid: The point I'm trying to make now is, look at the sun specifically. How it looks okay and we can compare it to actual footage from Antarctica, that's practically how it looks, but the ones we saw from their 24hour time lapses and stuff doesn't look like that.

For comparison, here is a frame from the TFE trailer.

And one from Dave McKeegan's 24h timelapse.

Apollo Films

Flatzoid thinks that the films used during Apollo can't be used in a vacuum. He relies on the information given by the Apollo Detectives.

Dave McKeegan made a video about the topic explaining the problems with the experiments.

In short, the problems are:

• Different film
• Different development method
• Exposing the film to harsher conditions than the actual Apollo film

Underwater Cameras

Flatzoid thinks they don't use film cameras underwater.

The first underwater camera using film was the Nikonos from 1963.

Language

Community member

Flatzoid thinks he needs to apply to be a member of the flat earth community.

Flatzoid: Is anybody a member of the flat earth?

Janusz: Nope

Roger Ledwell: Where do we join, where do we join, where do we sign up?

PJ: I didn't say anything not a thing, I didn't pledge anything, didn't say anything. Nothing, I don't pledge allegiance to the flat earth.

Insinuate

In his live stream Albatross debunks the flat earth! Apparently, a person called Frank told Flatzoid, how he was insinuating that Lisbeth is the village bicycle. Flatzoid's counter to that is that he didn't directly say the words: Lisbeth is the village bicycle. That demonstrates that he does not understand the word insinuate.

Airplane

According to Flatzoid airplanes are called that, because they are flying over a flat earth.

Flatzoid: You fly over a plane, yeah. It's called a aeroplane for a reason.

The word aeroplane actually comes from the shape of the wings.

aeroplane(n.)

1866, originally in reference to surfaces such as shell casings of beetle wings, from French aéroplane (1855), from Greek-derived aero- "air" + stem of French planer "to soar," from Latin planus "level, flat" (from PIE root *pele- (2) "flat; to spread").

The word was later extended to the wing of a heavier-than-air flying machine. The use of the word in reference to the machine itself is first attested 1873 and probably is an independent coinage in English. Also see airplane. Ancient Greek had a word aeroplanos, but it meant "wandering in the air," from planos "wandering" (see planet).

Earth shape debate

Flatzoid thinks that a debate about Earth's shape means that it's a debate about biblical cosmology.

Surveying

Curvature corrections

According to Flatzoid, surveyors account for curvature just because they believe it exists. Essentially he is saying that everyone who measures Earth is getting it wrong on purpose. Of course no measurements of Earth being flat exist.

If Earth was flat, curvature corrections wouldn't be used as that results in a wrong measurement of the terrain.

Geodetic Surveying is Planar Surveying stitched together

Flatzoid also claims that Geodetic Surveying is just linking together the measurements from Planar Surveying.

Flatzoid: You don't observe uh geodetic surveying because it's planar surveying done in sections that they link up. Just like what it said. So they're taking all the sections of um of um local measurements, okay, up to let's say 10 miles or whatever and they're just linking them together. That's all they're doing and then they take all those links and just lie them across a sphere. That's what they do but was it measured over a sphere? No it was measured flat and then calculated that all those linkages are curving over a sphere, where they get most, of that is like the Topography is not exactly straight and that's what I brought the Arc of the parallel up, because it's exactly that. It's just linkages of, let's just say you got a link like this. Okay. Then we're going to put another measurement which is another link you see it pulls out the distance further. Now these are two separate measurements, which are all flat measurements. Now they're taking that measurement. I wish I had a ball with me and they wrap it around a ball and say it's curved, but in the meantime they measured flat measurements. They link them together. That's all they do.

If that was the case, surveyors would simply measure over larger distances without applying any curvature corrections. That would result in different measurements simply by measuring from the opposite side, as Earth is a sphere.

For example: Assuming we have two points A and B at the same elevation. If you measure point B from point A, point B will be lower than point A. It's the other way around when point A is measured from point B. Of course Flatzoid completely ignores any problems.

Maps

Gisgeography has a nice overview of map projections. They also have a good explanation about coordinates , and compare the different distortions.

Distances

Flatzoid doesn't understand that every map has different distortions and thinks that all maps have the correct distances.

Flatzoid: My model and my map is every map in existence because all the distances comport with measurements of reality. There we go. So it doesn't matter which map you present, the distance is shown to comport with what's measured in reality. It doesn't make it a sphere or a triangle. What it does do is it shows it's measured flat.

If Earth was flat, only one world map can have all the correct distances. Since Earth isn't flat, the only model where all the distances are correct is the globe.

Grid

Flatzoid thinks that the grid on maps all have the same distance. That's of course not true. The distance between latitudes is the same, but not between the longitudes. The distance between the longitudes increases closer to the equator and decreases closer to the poles.

Flatzoid: You see all these blocks. The coordinate systems. Okay. You see how they take those blocks and they lay them to each other on a map because it's a grid system. Those grid systems look how different they look. Okay. All those grids, but they all have the same distances allocated. Yeah. Why? Because the measurement is true, the distance is true, the layout is not. No. You just at the end of the day, you're just following a grid system that was measured over a flat horizontal plane.

Masons and occult

Colors

Orange

According to Flatzoid wearing an orange shirt is a sign of being a mason.

Flatzoid: But that's the thing he gets called out for his Masonic shirts he keeps wearing and he keeps wearing specifically his orange shirts. What does that tell you guys?

Orange curtains are also a Freemason ritual.

Blue and Red

Wearing blue or red is also masonic.

Flatzoid: On Jeran's stream, which he literally had the same time as him, he was on Jeran's stream, he was wearing a red hoodie and then straight after went to start his streaming wearing a blue hoodie and that is again guys, sorry to say, linked to Freemasonry.

Putting your right hand on the bible

According to Flatzoid putting your right hand on the bible is a masonic ritual.

Flatzoid: But you see the problem with what Witsit did now? Put, placing the right hand on the Bible is a um Authority Passage through Mas, Masonic, uh masonry. It's literally a masonic um ritual that you do to to show you have authority.

Nipples on ice

Taking a group photo with some people being topless is also masonic, according to Flatzoid or his viewers.

Flatzoid: The problem with that is it's based on a Mason ritual. Especially the the check, cuz it's shirt off, shirt on, shirt off, shirt on, and that's why everybody is saying, yeah it's based on on Freemason symbolism.

Left boot

According to Flatzoid putting a left boot under a table is masonic.

When you actually read the text, which Flatzoid obviously didn't. You can see that the ritual involves taking off your shoe when entering a building. Dave McKeegan was outside and didn't even wear that boot.

The custom of removing shoes on entering a sacred building dates to extreme antiquity, it is a token of reverence and humility.

It is known as the “Rite of Discalceation” and in the language of symbolism, signifies that the place that is approached in reverence and humility is consecrated to some holy purpose.

Numbers

33

Becoming a millionaire at age 33 is also a masonic ritual.

Hiding one eye

Hiding one eye is also a masonic ritual.

Hand sign

There are also plenty of hand sign counting as Freemason signs.

Lunar eclipse diagram

According to Flatzoid a diagram of the lunar eclipse is kind of occultic.

Flatzoid: I want to point out to you look at the shapes coming off here I'm going to get another one online because this symbol is kind of occultic.

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Flatzoid: This whole um occultic sign sort of goes and, um it's how can I say, makes a Baphomet sign. Almost a triple six based on this, but you have to remember the whole heliocentric belief system is based on a Babylonian pagan belief and it's satanic so it does reference triple 6.

Antisemitism

Flatzoid defends the antisemitism of his panel members.