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“'''Rowbothamism'''” is a term coined by [[User:PeterMarkley|Peter Markley]], to help expose the [[Wikipedia:Historical negationism|revisionist history]] of [[:Category:Flerfs|flerfs]] and distinguish them from ancient flat earthers who believed the sun went '''under the earth'''. It is an alternate term for ''' | “'''Rowbothamism'''” is a term coined by [[User:PeterMarkley|Peter Markley]], to help expose the [[Wikipedia:Historical negationism|revisionist history]] of [[:Category:Flerfs|flerfs]] and distinguish them from ancient flat earthers who believed the sun went '''under the earth'''. It is an alternate term for '''Zetetic Astronomy''' (see [[#Rowbothamist Model|below]]). | ||
Flerfs identify their view with ancient cosmologies. However in reality, when their view began with [[Wikipedia:Samuel Rowbotham|Samuel Rowbotham]] in the 1800s, it was completely new and unique in history due to its [[Wikipedia:Denialism|denial]] of [[Wikipedia:Sunset|sunset]]. | Flerfs identify their view with ancient cosmologies. However in reality, when their view began with [[Wikipedia:Samuel Rowbotham|Samuel Rowbotham]] in the 1800s, it was completely new and unique in history due to its [[Wikipedia:Denialism|denial]] of [[Wikipedia:Sunset|sunset]]. | ||
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Considering this, when [[:Category:Religiflerfs|religiflerfs]] use the term [[Wikipedia:Biblical cosmology|“Biblical cosmology”]], it is [[Wikipedia:Misinformation|misinformation]]. | Considering this, when [[:Category:Religiflerfs|religiflerfs]] use the term [[Wikipedia:Biblical cosmology|“Biblical cosmology”]], it is [[Wikipedia:Misinformation|misinformation]]. | ||
= Pronunciation = | |||
Accounts seem to vary (even among UK English speakers) on whether the “TH” in “Rowbotham” is the [[Wikipedia:Voiceless dental fricative|dental fricative]] (like in “thin”), or a [[Wikipedia:Voiceless dental and alveolar plosives|“T” sound]] with a silent H. | Accounts seem to vary (even among UK English speakers) on whether the “TH” in “Rowbotham” is the [[Wikipedia:Voiceless dental fricative|dental fricative]] (like in “thin”), or a [[Wikipedia:Voiceless dental and alveolar plosives|“T” sound]] with a silent H. | ||
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* Michael using the “T” sound like in “bottom.” | * Michael using the “T” sound like in “bottom.” | ||
= History of the term = | |||
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== Rowbothamist Model | = Ancient cosmologies = | ||
Ancient cultures believed the sun left the inhabited world at night, usually by going underneath it. To them, daytime and nighttime were universal. No exceptions exist among world cultures whose cosmology survives and provides enough detail to discern. | |||
=== Sumerian cosmology === | |||
This culture believed there is a tunnel under the earth called the “Road of the Sun.” There's a whole scene in the [[Wikipedia:Epic of Gilgamesh|''Epic of Gilgamesh'']], tablet 9, when Gilgamesh travels along this tunnel to the underworld. | |||
[[Wikipedia:Ancient near eastern cosmology|More info →]] | |||
=== Egyptian cosmology === | |||
The Egyptian sun god [[Wikipedia:Ra|Ra]] travels in a boat through the underworld every night, and is reborn in the east every morning. This nightly journey was central to Egyptian religious practices, and was described in great detail in the [[Wikipedia:Book of Gates|''Book of Gates'']]. | |||
[[Wikipedia:Egyptian cosmology|More info →]] | |||
=== Aztec cosmology === | |||
In Aztec belief, the earth goddess [[Wikipedia:Tlaltecuhtli|Tlaltecuhtli]] swallows the sun every evening and vomits it again in the morning. | |||
[[Wikipedia:Aztec religion|More info →]] | |||
=== Hebrew cosmology === | |||
The Bible does not give any clues about where the sun goes at night, except the use of “rise” and “set” in Matthew 5:45 and Ephesians 4:26. For more detail most sources, including Michael Heiser, look instead to the [[Wikipedia:Book of Enoch|''Book of Enoch'']]. | |||
A 1909 Mormon source<ref>Ralph V. Chamberin, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:White_and_Blue_Vol_XIII_no._11_Dec_24_1909.djvu&page=18 White and Blue Vol XIII no. 11 Dec 24 1909], page 88</ref> summarized the evidence well:<blockquote>It was represented that in the eastern side or the face of the firmament there were six doors or portals through which the sun entered from chambers outside the vault, and that in the western side of the firmament there were also six portals. For thirty days the sun passed through the first portal and at evening, after traversing the sky, passed out through the corresponding opening in the west. At the end of the month the sun entered by the second portal; and so on until the sixth had been reached …</blockquote> | |||
= Rowbothamist Model = | |||
[[File:Rowbotham.png|thumb|200px|Portrait of [[Wikipedia:Samuel Rowbotham|Samuel Rowbotham]]]] | [[File:Rowbotham.png|thumb|200px|Portrait of [[Wikipedia:Samuel Rowbotham|Samuel Rowbotham]]]] | ||
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This was the birth of [[flerfspective]]: the butchered mess that flerfs make of [[Wikipedia:linear perspective|linear perspective]], even to this day, when explaining [[Wikipedia:Sunset|sunset]], [[Wikipedia:Hull down|hull down ships]], and a variety of other phenomena. | This was the birth of [[flerfspective]]: the butchered mess that flerfs make of [[Wikipedia:linear perspective|linear perspective]], even to this day, when explaining [[Wikipedia:Sunset|sunset]], [[Wikipedia:Hull down|hull down ships]], and a variety of other phenomena. | ||
Rowbotham needed this on his model, which he called | Rowbotham needed this on his model, which he called “'''Zetetic Astronomy''',” because of [[Wikipedia:Time zone|time zones]]. To make a flat earth “work” in the modern world, Samuel Rowbotham had co-opted the [[Wikipedia:Azimuthal equidistant projection|azimuthal equidistant]] world map projection with the North Pole at the center. His sun supposedly traveled in circles overhead around the North Pole. | ||
[[File:Rowbotham map.jpg|center|400px|World map drawn by Rowbotham]] | [[File:Rowbotham map.jpg|center|400px|World map drawn by Rowbotham]] | ||
Revision as of 03:50, 1 December 2024
“Rowbothamism” is a term coined by Peter Markley, to help expose the revisionist history of flerfs and distinguish them from ancient flat earthers who believed the sun went under the earth. It is an alternate term for Zetetic Astronomy (see below).
Flerfs identify their view with ancient cosmologies. However in reality, when their view began with Samuel Rowbotham in the 1800s, it was completely new and unique in history due to its denial of sunset.
Considering this, when religiflerfs use the term “Biblical cosmology”, it is misinformation.
Pronunciation
Accounts seem to vary (even among UK English speakers) on whether the “TH” in “Rowbotham” is the dental fricative (like in “thin”), or a “T” sound with a silent H.
In a livestream discussion about this, at 2:01:35 Peter Markley and Michael Toon agreed to split the difference by:
- Peter using the “TH” sound like in “thin” and
- Michael using the “T” sound like in “bottom.”
History of the term
| Date | Event | Link |
|---|---|---|
| Jul 2019 | In his debut flat earth debunking video, Peter Markley explained the concept but did not yet use the term “Rowbothamism.” | YouTube clip |
| Dec 2023 | Peter used the term once in a debate with Kaleb Davis. | YouTube recording |
| June 2024 | Peter brought significant research to support the term as a main strategy in his MDD debut vs. Flatzoid. Flatzoid’s illogical response resulted in a meme. | YouTube live |
Ancient cosmologies
Ancient cultures believed the sun left the inhabited world at night, usually by going underneath it. To them, daytime and nighttime were universal. No exceptions exist among world cultures whose cosmology survives and provides enough detail to discern.
Sumerian cosmology
This culture believed there is a tunnel under the earth called the “Road of the Sun.” There's a whole scene in the Epic of Gilgamesh, tablet 9, when Gilgamesh travels along this tunnel to the underworld.
Egyptian cosmology
The Egyptian sun god Ra travels in a boat through the underworld every night, and is reborn in the east every morning. This nightly journey was central to Egyptian religious practices, and was described in great detail in the Book of Gates.
Aztec cosmology
In Aztec belief, the earth goddess Tlaltecuhtli swallows the sun every evening and vomits it again in the morning.
Hebrew cosmology
The Bible does not give any clues about where the sun goes at night, except the use of “rise” and “set” in Matthew 5:45 and Ephesians 4:26. For more detail most sources, including Michael Heiser, look instead to the Book of Enoch.
A 1909 Mormon source[1] summarized the evidence well:
It was represented that in the eastern side or the face of the firmament there were six doors or portals through which the sun entered from chambers outside the vault, and that in the western side of the firmament there were also six portals. For thirty days the sun passed through the first portal and at evening, after traversing the sky, passed out through the corresponding opening in the west. At the end of the month the sun entered by the second portal; and so on until the sixth had been reached …
Rowbothamist Model

In his 1865 book Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, Rowbotham wrote:
Although the Sun is at all times above and parallel to the Earth's surface, he appears to ascend the firmament from morning until noon, and to descend and sink below the horizon at evening. This arises from a simple and everywhere visible law of perspective.[2]

This was the birth of flerfspective: the butchered mess that flerfs make of linear perspective, even to this day, when explaining sunset, hull down ships, and a variety of other phenomena.
Rowbotham needed this on his model, which he called “Zetetic Astronomy,” because of time zones. To make a flat earth “work” in the modern world, Samuel Rowbotham had co-opted the azimuthal equidistant world map projection with the North Pole at the center. His sun supposedly traveled in circles overhead around the North Pole.

References
- ↑ Ralph V. Chamberin, White and Blue Vol XIII no. 11 Dec 24 1909, page 88
- ↑ Rowbotham, 1865 Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe Section 7 "Cause of 'Sunrise' and 'Sunset'" (page 85)