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		<title>Unfornicated at 06:45, 16 October 2026</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 02:45, 16 October 2026&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Unfornicated ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Unfornicated ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;A third link budget, by Dan-Oh of the Unfornicated channel. It uses three confidence levels throughout (cautious, nominal and favorable) and replaces an assumed system noise temperature with the measured radio sky from the Haslam 408 MHz all-sky survey.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;A third link budget, by Dan-Oh of the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Unfornicated&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;channel. It uses three confidence levels throughout (cautious, nominal and favorable) and replaces an assumed system noise temperature with the measured radio sky from the Haslam 408 MHz all-sky survey.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Unfornicated at 06:39, 16 October 2026</title>
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		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Quote USNO altitude and azimuth for the house, with the form inputs</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Quote USNO altitude and azimuth for the house, with the form inputs&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l111&quot;&gt;Line 111:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The house used for this check is on Deanna Drive, in the Okolona section of south Louisville, on the east side of the street. The street runs north-south. The claim was that a neighboring house would have blocked the signal.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The house used for this check is on Deanna Drive, in the Okolona section of south Louisville, on the east side of the street. The street runs north-south. The claim was that a neighboring house would have blocked the signal.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Moon&#039;s position is from &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;JPL Horizons, DE441, for that house, with atmospheric refraction included&lt;/del&gt;. Azimuth &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is degrees clockwise from north. Elevation is the center &lt;/del&gt;of the Moon. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;West is 270°.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Moon&#039;s position is from &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the U.S. Naval Observatory service [https://aa.usno.navy&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;mil/data/AltAz Altitude and &lt;/ins&gt;Azimuth of the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Sun or &lt;/ins&gt;Moon &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;During One Day]&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The form was filled in as follows, and the result page repeats them:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 02:39 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;hatch open: &lt;/del&gt;azimuth 247.9°&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, elevation 16&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;0°&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Object: Moon.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 02:56 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Armstrong steps off: &lt;/del&gt;azimuth 250.7°&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, elevation 12&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;9°&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Date: 1969-07-21.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 03:15 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Aldrin down: &lt;/del&gt;azimuth 253.7°&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, elevation 9&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;5°&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Tabular interval: 1 minute.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 03:48 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the Nixon call: &lt;/del&gt;azimuth 258.7°&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, elevation 3&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;4°&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Latitude: 38.1460633. Longitude: -85.7007719. East is positive, so this longitude is west.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 03:52 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the &lt;/del&gt;surviving tape starts: &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;azimuth 259&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;3°&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;elevation 2&lt;/del&gt;.6°.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Time zone: 0 hours, east of Greenwich. The result page prints &quot;Zone: Universal Time&quot;.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 04:08 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the &lt;/del&gt;center of the Moon &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;on &lt;/del&gt;the horizon&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: azimuth 261.7°&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* The result page prints the place as &quot;N 38° 09&#039;, W 85° 42&#039;&quot;.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The table printed for those inputs is [https://aa.usno.navy.mil/calculated/altaz?body=11&amp;amp;date=1969-07-21&amp;amp;intv_mag=1&amp;amp;lat=38.1460633&amp;amp;lon=-85.7007719&amp;amp;tz=0&amp;amp;tz_sign=1 here]. The columns are Time, Altitude, Azimuth (E of N), and Fraction Illuminated. The service notes say the values are for the center of the apparent disk, and that the altitude includes standard atmospheric refraction when the object is above the horizon. Azimuth is east of north. West is 270°. These rows are quoted as printed:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 02:39, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;altitude 16.0°, &lt;/ins&gt;azimuth 247.9°. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Hatch open&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 02:56, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;altitude 12.9°, &lt;/ins&gt;azimuth 250.7°. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Armstrong steps off&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 03:15, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;altitude 9.5°, &lt;/ins&gt;azimuth 253.7°. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Aldrin down&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 03:48, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;altitude 3.4°, &lt;/ins&gt;azimuth 258.7°. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The Nixon call&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 03:52, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;altitude 2.6°, azimuth 259.3°. The &lt;/ins&gt;surviving tape starts&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* 04&lt;/ins&gt;:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;07, altitude 0&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;1°&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;azimuth 261&lt;/ins&gt;.6°.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 04:08, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;altitude -0.1°, azimuth 261.7°. The &lt;/ins&gt;center of the Moon &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;crosses &lt;/ins&gt;the horizon &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;between these two minutes&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Moon was west-southwest, moving toward due west as it set. The next-door houses are north and south of his lot. From the front yard they are not on that line. The houses across the street are. They are one story, which is what the 1969 photograph shows.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Moon was west-southwest, moving toward due west as it set. The next-door houses are north and south of his lot. From the front yard they are not on that line. The houses across the street are. They are one story, which is what the 1969 photograph shows.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Flerf Whisperer</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Larry_Baysinger&amp;diff=13531&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Add Graney&#039;s observatory page to The night</title>
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		<updated>2026-10-15T20:38:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Add Graney&amp;#039;s observatory page to The night&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:38, 15 October 2026&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l12&quot;&gt;Line 12:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Rutherford wrote that they recorded about 35 minutes, including the walk. The first reel ran out while they were celebrating the signal. The reel that survives in recognizable form is shorter. In 2009 Baysinger transferred the usable stretches. The complete public file is about five minutes. Graney&amp;#039;s account, the audio, and Baysinger&amp;#039;s own log of that file are on the [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/ Otter Creek observatory page]. The ARRL writeup is [https://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11 Eavesdropping on Apollo 11].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Rutherford wrote that they recorded about 35 minutes, including the walk. The first reel ran out while they were celebrating the signal. The reel that survives in recognizable form is shorter. In 2009 Baysinger transferred the usable stretches. The complete public file is about five minutes. Graney&amp;#039;s account, the audio, and Baysinger&amp;#039;s own log of that file are on the [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/ Otter Creek observatory page]. The ARRL writeup is [https://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11 Eavesdropping on Apollo 11].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/ Lunar eavesdropping in Louisville], Christopher Graney, Otter Creek-South Harrison Observatory.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 1969 article: [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/HiResImages/RutherfordArticle.gif the clipping], and a [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/rutherfordarticle-1969.gif copy].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 1969 article: [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/HiResImages/RutherfordArticle.gif the clipping], and a [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/rutherfordarticle-1969.gif copy].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 2019, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Courier Journal&amp;#039;&amp;#039;: [https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/07/19/apollo-11-moon-landing-louisville-man-eavesdropped-mission-1969/1743648001/ the article], and a [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/courier-journal-story-news-2019-07-19-apollo-11-moon-landing-louisville-man-eavesdropped-mission-1969.pdf PDF].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 2019, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Courier Journal&amp;#039;&amp;#039;: [https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/07/19/apollo-11-moon-landing-louisville-man-eavesdropped-mission-1969/1743648001/ the article], and a [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/courier-journal-story-news-2019-07-19-apollo-11-moon-landing-louisville-man-eavesdropped-mission-1969.pdf PDF].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Flerf Whisperer</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Larry_Baysinger&amp;diff=13530&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Rename Antenna gain to Antenna Description and drop the lead-in</title>
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		<updated>2026-10-15T20:31:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Rename Antenna gain to Antenna Description and drop the lead-in&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l125&quot;&gt;Line 125:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The photograph shows the antenna in an open yard, with the frame higher than the one-story roofs and open sky over the neighbor. And 259.7 MHz has a wavelength of 1.15 meters. A roof edge that hides the Moon from the eye does not make a hard wall for a wave that long. The signal on the tape is the one that got through that geometry, aimed at the Moon, and gone when the Moon set.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The photograph shows the antenna in an open yard, with the frame higher than the one-story roofs and open sky over the neighbor. And 259.7 MHz has a wavelength of 1.15 meters. A roof edge that hides the Moon from the eye does not make a hard wall for a wave that long. The signal on the tape is the one that got through that geometry, aimed at the Moon, and gone when the Moon set.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Antenna &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;gain &lt;/del&gt;==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Antenna &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Description &lt;/ins&gt;==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Three accounts follow. Each summary uses only that source.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== ARRL ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== ARRL ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Flerf Whisperer</name></author>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Split the antenna accounts into ARRL, Karn, and Empirical Earth&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Antenna gain ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Antenna gain ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Two published link budgets use the 8 by 12 foot antenna from the 1969 story&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;That is 96 square feet. Karn assumed the efficiency, and he set it at 100 percent. Empirical Earth computed the gain of a perfect aperture of that size at 259.7 MHz, 19.25 dBi, which is &lt;/del&gt;that &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;same 100 percent case. For the corner reflector in the sketch they used the published gain range for the type, 10 to 15 dBi&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Three accounts follow&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Each summary uses only &lt;/ins&gt;that &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;source&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Phil Karn, ka9q, posted the first one on 1 March 2010: &lt;/del&gt;[https://&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;apollohoax&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;proboards&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;com/thread&lt;/del&gt;/&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2747/larry&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;baysingers&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;recording&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a11 Larry Baysinger&lt;/del&gt;&#039;s &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;recording of A11]&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;He took that area at 100 percent efficiency. A perfect &lt;/del&gt;8 by 12 foot &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;aperture at 259.7 MHz is 19.25 dBi&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the theoretical ceiling&lt;/del&gt;, and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;that is the gain in his sum&lt;/del&gt;. The &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;rest of his inputs were &lt;/del&gt;a &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;500 milliwatt backpack transmitter&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;1&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2 dB of cable &lt;/del&gt;and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;diplexer loss, 2 dB &lt;/del&gt;of &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;loss in &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;backpack antenna, 386,000 km, &lt;/del&gt;and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a receiver noise temperature of 300 kelvin&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;In a 3 kHz bandwidth &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;signal-&lt;/del&gt;to&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;-noise ratio is -10&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;8 dB. He called &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;perfect efficiency &lt;/del&gt;a little &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;optimistic, and &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;noise temperature &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;figure he trusted least. The recording&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;he wrote, is about that noisy&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;=== ARRL ===&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[https://&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;www&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;arrl&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;org&lt;/ins&gt;/&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;eavesdropping&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;on&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;apollo&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;11 Eavesdropping on Apollo 11], by Christopher Graney, retells Glenn Rutherford&lt;/ins&gt;&#039;s &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;23 July 1969 &#039;&#039;Courier-Journal&#039;&#039; story&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The antenna is &quot;a fully steerable &lt;/ins&gt;8 by 12 foot &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;corner horn,&quot; built from spare aluminum&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;nylon cord&lt;/ins&gt;, and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;chicken wire&lt;/ins&gt;. The &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;receiver was &lt;/ins&gt;a &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;rebuilt 20-year-old set from an Army tank&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;which Baysinger had modified&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The mount was motorized &lt;/ins&gt;and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;had to be guided by hand. On the night &lt;/ins&gt;of the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;landing he and Rutherford aimed it by getting behind it &lt;/ins&gt;and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;sighting along it&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The weather was cloudy and &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Moon was hard &lt;/ins&gt;to &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;see&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Once the antenna was on &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Moon it could be left for &lt;/ins&gt;a little &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;while. When &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Moon drifted out of &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;beam&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the signal disappeared&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[https://empiricalearth.com/baysinger.html Empirical Earth] uses the same ceiling&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;19.25 dBi&lt;/del&gt;, and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;then sets it aside. Baysinger&lt;/del&gt;&#039;s &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;sketch, Figure 4 &lt;/del&gt;of the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;ARRL article, is a folded&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;dipole array in front of flat chicken&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;wire screens. That is a corner reflector&lt;/del&gt;. The &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;published gain for &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;type is 10 to 15 dBi&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;If it had been a filled horn at 60 to 70 percent efficiency&lt;/del&gt;, the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;gain would be 17 &lt;/del&gt;to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;18 dBi&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Their budget uses half &lt;/del&gt;a &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;watt&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;1.7 dB of cable and triplexer loss&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2 dB of backpack-antenna loss, and 192&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;4 dB of free-space loss:&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The article says Baysinger recorded 35 minutes of VHF conversation transmitted among Armstrong, Aldrin&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;and Collins&lt;/ins&gt;, and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;that those minutes included President Nixon&lt;/ins&gt;&#039;s &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;message &lt;/ins&gt;of &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;congratulations. It says he did not try to receive the S-band signals from &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;main Moon&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;to&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Earth link, which the article calls encoded&lt;/ins&gt;. The &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;signal on his receiver arrived about 5 to 10 seconds before &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;same words on television&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It was noisy&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;but you could hear what was going on. Rutherford wrote that &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;receiver worked &lt;/ins&gt;to &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;perfection that Sunday night. This page names the antenna and the size&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It does not give &lt;/ins&gt;a &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;gain&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;an efficiency&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;or a link budget&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 13 dBi, noise figure 8 dB, 6 kHz &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;bandwidth&lt;/del&gt;: signal-to-noise -27.9 dB, or -21.9 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;=== Phil Karn ===&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Phil Karn, posting as ka9q on 1 March 2010, ran a preliminary link budget: [https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/2747/larry-baysingers-recording-a11 Larry Baysinger&#039;s recording of A11]. He found the link quite marginal, and consistent with the noisy recording.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;He used a backpack transmitter of 500 milliwatts on 259.7 MHz, cable and diplexer losses of -1.2 dB, and a backpack antenna gain of -2 dB. Those backpack figures came from a Bellcomm analysis of Apollo 15 surface propagation that used Apollo 14 backpack figures. He called them probably good, and he called the -2 dB figure pessimistic. The distance was 386,000 km: JPL Horizons for the center of the Moon as seen from Louisville at 0400 UTC on 21 July 1969, minus the Moon&#039;s 1700 km radius. The receiving antenna was 96 square feet, taken from the article he was reading. The system noise temperature was 300 kelvin. In a 3 kHz bandwidth the signal-to-noise ratio was -10.8 dB.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The efficiency is his assumption. He wrote: &quot;Every antenna has an efficiency factor, but it is not given here so I assumed unity, which is perhaps a little optimistic.&quot; He entered that assumption as 100 percent. He was least confident in the 300 kelvin noise temperature. An antenna pointed at the horizon sees the Earth in half the beam and the sky in the other half. At 300 MHz that sky noise is already low, in the tens of kelvins, and the preamplifier noise has to be added. He did not know what preamplifier Baysinger used. The result, he wrote, is certainly not broadcast quality or even good quality, and neither is the recording. The Moon was setting, so the antenna would also take a reflection off the ground, which can add to the direct signal or subtract from it. On the tape the signal fades slowly, and at times it is pretty much gone. If he knew the antenna height above the ground, he could calculate the fade period.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;=== Empirical Earth ===&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[https://empiricalearth.com/baysinger.html Empirical Earth] gives the 8 by 12 foot aperture a theoretical ceiling of 19.25 dBi at perfect efficiency. If the antenna is read as a horn, the page assumes 60 to 70 percent efficiency and gets 17 to 18 dBi. If it is read as a corner reflector, a dipole feed in front of flat screens, the page uses the published range for that type, 10 to 15 dBi. Baysinger&#039;s sketch is a folded-dipole array in front of flat chicken-wire screens, and the newspaper photograph shows the same flat mesh, captioned as a reflector. The page calls it a corner reflector and uses the 10 to 15 dBi range. The sketch shows four folded dipoles, which the page says sits above the single dipole that published range assumes. The design source allows a 90 degree corner or a 60 degree corner. The page says no surviving image is sharp enough to show which one he cut.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The budget uses a 0.5 watt transmitter, -3.0 dBW. It subtracts 1.7 dB of cable and triplexer loss, measured on Apollo 14, and 2.0 dB of antenna pattern loss. The effective radiated power is -6.7 dBW. Free-space loss is 32.45 + 20 log(259.7) + 20 log(384,400) = 192.4 dB.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 13 dBi, noise figure 8 dB, 6 kHz: signal-to-noise -27.9 dB, or -21.9 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 16.2 dBi, noise figure 5 dB, 3 kHz: -18.7 dB, or -12.7 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 16.2 dBi, noise figure 5 dB, 3 kHz: -18.7 dB, or -12.7 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 18 dBi, noise figure 2 dB, 6 kHz: -13.2 dB, or -7.2 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* 18 dBi, noise figure 2 dB, 6 kHz: -13.2 dB, or -7.2 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;best row &lt;/del&gt;in &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;that &lt;/del&gt;table is &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;still a signal under &lt;/del&gt;the noise. What the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;budget allows &lt;/del&gt;is fragments, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;which is what &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;surviving tape is. Karn&#039;s -10&lt;/del&gt;.8 dB is &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the same kind of result&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;reached by granting &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;antenna &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;gain the sketch does not support&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;page keeps the higher rows as a ceiling. Even granting the horn, it says the link does not produce clean speech. At no assumption &lt;/ins&gt;in &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the &lt;/ins&gt;table &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;does the page get ordinary real-time speech. The most favorable case &lt;/ins&gt;is &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;about -7 dB, where &lt;/ins&gt;the noise &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is five times the signal&lt;/ins&gt;. What the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;arithmetic permits &lt;/ins&gt;is &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;intermittent &lt;/ins&gt;fragments&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;. In a 100 Hz bandwidth the carrier reaches -1.9 dB&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;so the carrier was findable and the speech was at &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;edge&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;A receiver noise figure of 2 dB against a stock tube set at &lt;/ins&gt;8 dB is &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;6 dB&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;which &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;page calls &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;difference between fragments and nothing&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== See also ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== See also ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Flerf Whisperer</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Larry_Baysinger&amp;diff=13519&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Gain lead: Karn assumed 100 percent, Empirical Earth computed the perfect-aperture gain</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Gain lead: Karn assumed 100 percent, Empirical Earth computed the perfect-aperture gain&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Antenna gain ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Antenna gain ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Two published link budgets use the 8 by 12 foot antenna from the 1969 story. That is 96 square feet. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Neither one measured &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;antenna&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Both start from &lt;/del&gt;the size &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;and then assume an efficiency&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Two published link budgets use the 8 by 12 foot antenna from the 1969 story. That is 96 square feet. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Karn assumed &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;efficiency, and he set it at 100 percent&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Empirical Earth computed &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;gain of a perfect aperture of that &lt;/ins&gt;size &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;at 259.7 MHz, 19.25 dBi, which is that same 100 percent case. For the corner reflector in the sketch they used the published gain range for the type, 10 to 15 dBi&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Phil Karn, ka9q, posted the first one on 1 March 2010: [https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/2747/larry-baysingers-recording-a11 Larry Baysinger&amp;#039;s recording of A11]. He took that area at 100 percent efficiency. A perfect 8 by 12 foot aperture at 259.7 MHz is 19.25 dBi, the theoretical ceiling, and that is the gain in his sum. The rest of his inputs were a 500 milliwatt backpack transmitter, 1.2 dB of cable and diplexer loss, 2 dB of loss in the backpack antenna, 386,000 km, and a receiver noise temperature of 300 kelvin. In a 3 kHz bandwidth the signal-to-noise ratio is -10.8 dB. He called the perfect efficiency a little optimistic, and the noise temperature the figure he trusted least. The recording, he wrote, is about that noisy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Phil Karn, ka9q, posted the first one on 1 March 2010: [https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/2747/larry-baysingers-recording-a11 Larry Baysinger&amp;#039;s recording of A11]. He took that area at 100 percent efficiency. A perfect 8 by 12 foot aperture at 259.7 MHz is 19.25 dBi, the theoretical ceiling, and that is the gain in his sum. The rest of his inputs were a 500 milliwatt backpack transmitter, 1.2 dB of cable and diplexer loss, 2 dB of loss in the backpack antenna, 386,000 km, and a receiver noise temperature of 300 kelvin. In a 3 kHz bandwidth the signal-to-noise ratio is -10.8 dB. He called the perfect efficiency a little optimistic, and the noise temperature the figure he trusted least. The recording, he wrote, is about that noisy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Flerf Whisperer</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Add the published gain budgets for the 8 by 12 foot antenna</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Add the published gain budgets for the 8 by 12 foot antenna&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l124&quot;&gt;Line 124:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The photograph shows the antenna in an open yard, with the frame higher than the one-story roofs and open sky over the neighbor. And 259.7 MHz has a wavelength of 1.15 meters. A roof edge that hides the Moon from the eye does not make a hard wall for a wave that long. The signal on the tape is the one that got through that geometry, aimed at the Moon, and gone when the Moon set.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The photograph shows the antenna in an open yard, with the frame higher than the one-story roofs and open sky over the neighbor. And 259.7 MHz has a wavelength of 1.15 meters. A roof edge that hides the Moon from the eye does not make a hard wall for a wave that long. The signal on the tape is the one that got through that geometry, aimed at the Moon, and gone when the Moon set.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Antenna gain ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Two published link budgets use the 8 by 12 foot antenna from the 1969 story. That is 96 square feet. Neither one measured the antenna. Both start from the size and then assume an efficiency.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Phil Karn, ka9q, posted the first one on 1 March 2010: [https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/2747/larry-baysingers-recording-a11 Larry Baysinger&#039;s recording of A11]. He took that area at 100 percent efficiency. A perfect 8 by 12 foot aperture at 259.7 MHz is 19.25 dBi, the theoretical ceiling, and that is the gain in his sum. The rest of his inputs were a 500 milliwatt backpack transmitter, 1.2 dB of cable and diplexer loss, 2 dB of loss in the backpack antenna, 386,000 km, and a receiver noise temperature of 300 kelvin. In a 3 kHz bandwidth the signal-to-noise ratio is -10.8 dB. He called the perfect efficiency a little optimistic, and the noise temperature the figure he trusted least. The recording, he wrote, is about that noisy.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[https://empiricalearth.com/baysinger.html Empirical Earth] uses the same ceiling, 19.25 dBi, and then sets it aside. Baysinger&#039;s sketch, Figure 4 of the ARRL article, is a folded-dipole array in front of flat chicken-wire screens. That is a corner reflector. The published gain for the type is 10 to 15 dBi. If it had been a filled horn at 60 to 70 percent efficiency, the gain would be 17 to 18 dBi. Their budget uses half a watt, 1.7 dB of cable and triplexer loss, 2 dB of backpack-antenna loss, and 192.4 dB of free-space loss:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* 13 dBi, noise figure 8 dB, 6 kHz bandwidth: signal-to-noise -27.9 dB, or -21.9 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* 16.2 dBi, noise figure 5 dB, 3 kHz: -18.7 dB, or -12.7 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* 18 dBi, noise figure 2 dB, 6 kHz: -13.2 dB, or -7.2 dB with a ground reflection.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The best row in that table is still a signal under the noise. What the budget allows is fragments, which is what the surviving tape is. Karn&#039;s -10.8 dB is the same kind of result, reached by granting the antenna the gain the sketch does not support.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== See also ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== See also ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Say which transmitter Baysinger recorded, and that Aldrin was relayed by Armstrong&#039;s backpack</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Say which transmitter Baysinger recorded, and that Aldrin was relayed by Armstrong&amp;#039;s backpack&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;On the night of 20 July 1969, Larry Baysinger recorded Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin from a yard in south Louisville. He was a technician at WHAS, call sign W4EJA, and the antenna was one he built. Glenn Rutherford of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Courier-Journal&amp;#039;&amp;#039; was there. The story ran on 23 July 1969, on the front of section B: &amp;quot;Lunar Eavesdropping: Louisvillians hear moon walk talk on homemade equipment.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;On the night of 20 July 1969, Larry Baysinger recorded Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin from a yard in south Louisville. He was a technician at WHAS, call sign W4EJA, and the antenna was one he built. Glenn Rutherford of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Courier-Journal&amp;#039;&amp;#039; was there. The story ran on 23 July 1969, on the front of section B: &amp;quot;Lunar Eavesdropping: Louisvillians hear moon walk talk on homemade equipment.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;tape has &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;two men &lt;/del&gt;on the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Moon&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Houston &lt;/del&gt;is &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;not &lt;/del&gt;on it. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Collins &lt;/del&gt;is &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;not &lt;/del&gt;on it. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The &lt;/del&gt;public-affairs commentator &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is &lt;/del&gt;not on &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;it&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;That is &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;backpack frequency&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the short link &lt;/del&gt;from the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;suits to &lt;/del&gt;the lunar module&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;. The &lt;/del&gt;suits &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;did not transmit to Earth&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The lunar module did&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Baysinger recorded the transmission from Armstrong&#039;s backpack. &lt;/ins&gt;The &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;backpack was &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;transmitter, &lt;/ins&gt;on &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;259.7 MHz, the short link meant for &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;lunar module&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Armstrong&#039;s own voice &lt;/ins&gt;is on it. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Aldrin&#039;s voice &lt;/ins&gt;is on it &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;too, relayed: Aldrin&#039;s backpack sent Aldrin on 279&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;0 MHz to a receiver in Armstrong&#039;s backpack, and Armstrong&#039;s backpack put both men on the signal Baysinger heard. Houston, Collins, and the &lt;/ins&gt;public-affairs commentator &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;are &lt;/ins&gt;not on &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;that signal&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Their voices went &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;other way&lt;/ins&gt;, from &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Earth to &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;lunar module, and &lt;/ins&gt;the lunar module &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;sent them to the &lt;/ins&gt;suits &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;on 296&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;8 MHz&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Flerf Whisperer: Create Larry Baysinger: Louisville recording, frequencies, PLSS relay, Moon azimuth</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Create Larry Baysinger: Louisville recording, frequencies, PLSS relay, Moon azimuth&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;On the night of 20 July 1969, Larry Baysinger recorded Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin from a yard in south Louisville. He was a technician at WHAS, call sign W4EJA, and the antenna was one he built. Glenn Rutherford of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Courier-Journal&amp;#039;&amp;#039; was there. The story ran on 23 July 1969, on the front of section B: &amp;quot;Lunar Eavesdropping: Louisvillians hear moon walk talk on homemade equipment.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The tape has the two men on the Moon. Houston is not on it. Collins is not on it. The public-affairs commentator is not on it. That is the backpack frequency, the short link from the suits to the lunar module. The suits did not transmit to Earth. The lunar module did.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Larry_Baysinger_antenna_1969.jpg|center|800px|Larry Baysinger and the antenna, Louisville, 1969. One story, an open yard, and the frame above the neighbor&amp;#039;s roof.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The night ==&lt;br /&gt;
Baysinger had been building antennas for weather satellites and radio astronomy. Local advice was that the Moon was out of reach. The weather was cloudy, so he and Rutherford aimed by getting behind the antenna and sighting along it. The mount was motorized and had to be guided by hand. When the Moon drifted out of the beam, the signal went away. Pointed back at the Moon, it came back.&lt;br /&gt;
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His wife and daughter watched the landing on television in the house. The same words arrived on his receiver about 5 to 10 seconds before they arrived on the television. He told Christopher Graney in 2009 that he had hoped to hear something NASA cut out before it reached the public, and that he did not. What he heard went out on television.&lt;br /&gt;
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Rutherford wrote that they recorded about 35 minutes, including the walk. The first reel ran out while they were celebrating the signal. The reel that survives in recognizable form is shorter. In 2009 Baysinger transferred the usable stretches. The complete public file is about five minutes. Graney&amp;#039;s account, the audio, and Baysinger&amp;#039;s own log of that file are on the [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/ Otter Creek observatory page]. The ARRL writeup is [https://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11 Eavesdropping on Apollo 11].&lt;br /&gt;
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* 1969 article: [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/HiResImages/RutherfordArticle.gif the clipping], and a [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/rutherfordarticle-1969.gif copy].&lt;br /&gt;
* 2019, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Courier Journal&amp;#039;&amp;#039;: [https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/07/19/apollo-11-moon-landing-louisville-man-eavesdropped-mission-1969/1743648001/ the article], and a [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/courier-journal-story-news-2019-07-19-apollo-11-moon-landing-louisville-man-eavesdropped-mission-1969.pdf PDF].&lt;br /&gt;
* The recording: [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/apollo-11-baysinger-1969.wma_.zip WMA], and an [https://mctoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/apollo-11-baysinger-1969.mp3 MP3].&lt;br /&gt;
* His 2009 log of that file: [http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/APOLLO11/AUDIO/WMAtranscript.pdf WMAtranscript.pdf].&lt;br /&gt;
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== The frequency ==&lt;br /&gt;
He was listening on &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;259.7 MHz&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, amplitude modulated. That is VHF channel B. In the two-man moonwalk configuration it is the commander&amp;#039;s backpack, transmitting to the lunar module, and it carries both men.&lt;br /&gt;
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Three VHF channels were in use on the surface:&lt;br /&gt;
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* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;296.8 MHz&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, AM, channel A. Lunar module to both backpacks. This one carries Houston, relayed.&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;259.7 MHz&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, AM, channel B. Armstrong&amp;#039;s backpack to the lunar module. Armstrong and Aldrin. This is the one on the tape.&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;279.0 MHz&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, FM. Aldrin&amp;#039;s backpack to a receiver in Armstrong&amp;#039;s backpack. Aldrin only. Armstrong&amp;#039;s set folded that audio into the 259.7 transmission.&lt;br /&gt;
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The lunar module and the command module also used those two AM channels, 296.8 and 259.7 MHz, for VHF voice between the ships. The 279.0 MHz link existed only between the backpacks.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Earth link was unified S-band, a different band, and a different set of frequencies.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Lunar module&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ([https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19720023255 NASA TN D-6974], page 15):&lt;br /&gt;
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* Transmit 2282.5 MHz&lt;br /&gt;
* Receive 2101.8 MHz&lt;br /&gt;
* The VHF transmitters delivered about 3.8 watts average at the diplexer&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Command module&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ([https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19720012253 NASA TN D-6723], and the 1966 [https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19660018739 Unified S-band] paper):&lt;br /&gt;
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* Uplink 2106.40625 MHz&lt;br /&gt;
* Downlink 2287.5 MHz on the phase-modulated carrier&lt;br /&gt;
* A separate FM downlink at 2272.5 MHz&lt;br /&gt;
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The downlink is the uplink multiplied by 240/221, so the two carriers stay coherent. During the moonwalk the lunar module was sending television, so its S-band carrier was in the wideband FM mode. Voice, picture, and telemetry were one broad signal. A small antenna had a chance on the VHF backpack carrier and none on that S-band mode. The pictures needed the big dishes.&lt;br /&gt;
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The backpack transmitter in the range study is half a watt. [https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19690003969 NASA TN D-4915] (December 1968) uses &amp;quot;the newest astronaut transmitter of 0.5-watt output&amp;quot; at 279.0 and 259.7 MHz, and figures how far an astronaut could walk from the lunar module before the link dropped.&lt;br /&gt;
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== How the backpack reached Earth ==&lt;br /&gt;
The portable life support system radio did not talk to Earth. It talked to the lunar module, and the lunar module relayed.&lt;br /&gt;
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NASA TN D-6974, page 26, on the two-man set that flew:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;quot;In essence, the first EVCS transmitted voice and data to the second EVCS. Then, the combined EVCS-1 and EVCS-2 voice and data were relayed to the LM by the second EVCS.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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NASA TN D-8093, page 41, on the same hardware:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;quot;The composite signal of voice and four subcarriers is relayed from the LM to the Earth by S-band, and the S-band communications signals from Earth are relayed to both crewmen through the LM.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The April 1967 lunar-module communications study guide says the same thing as a switching path. EVA voice and suit data arrive on VHF channel B and are routed to the S-band equipment for transmission to the ground. Voice from the ground arrives on S-band and is routed to VHF transmitter A for the astronauts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The lunar module operations handbook puts it in one sentence: &amp;quot;When both astronauts are outside the LM, the LM relays communications between the astronauts and MSFN.&amp;quot; The rover relay in the next sentence is later hardware. Apollo 11 had no rover.&lt;br /&gt;
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So the path that night was:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# Aldrin&amp;#039;s backpack transmitted on 279.0 MHz FM to Armstrong&amp;#039;s backpack.&lt;br /&gt;
# Armstrong&amp;#039;s backpack combined both voices and transmitted on 259.7 MHz AM to the lunar module.&lt;br /&gt;
# The lunar module retransmitted that audio to Earth on 2282.5 MHz.&lt;br /&gt;
# Houston&amp;#039;s reply came up on 2101.8 MHz to the lunar module, and the lunar module retransmitted it to both suits on 296.8 MHz.&lt;br /&gt;
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Baysinger heard step 2. He did not hear step 4. A recording of a Louisville television station would have had Houston, Collins, and the commentator. The tape has the two men the 259.7 MHz carrier is built to carry.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same relay is why the [[Nixon Apollo 11 phone call]] could reach the suits at all. Nixon&amp;#039;s voice went to Houston, to the lunar module on S-band, and then out on 296.8 MHz. It was never on the frequency Baysinger was recording.&lt;br /&gt;
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== What is on the tape ==&lt;br /&gt;
The surviving file starts at ground elapsed time &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:20:06&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; on 21 July 1969, 03:52 UTC, 11:52 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time in Louisville. Aldrin is describing the soil he has just kicked. It runs through his remark about feeling cooler in the shade at &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:25:09&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. Baysinger&amp;#039;s annotated pages of the NASA commentary carry the recording on through Aldrin&amp;#039;s description of contrast and color at &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:28:22&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The air-to-ground transcript below is the [https://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a11/a11.mobility.html Apollo Lunar Surface Journal]. Houston&amp;#039;s lines are in that journal, between these, and they are not on the tape. On the noisy carrier his own log gives a few of the cable lines to the other man. Both voices are on the one transmitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:20:06 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Houston, it&amp;#039;s very interesting to note that when I kick my foot (garbled) material, with no atmosphere here, and this gravity (garbled) they seem to leave, and most of them have about the same angle of departure and velocity. From where I stand, a large portion of them will impact at a certain distance out. Several (garbled) percentage is, of course, that will impact (garbled) different regions out (garbled) it&amp;#039;s highly dependent upon (garbled) the initial trajectory upwards (garbled) determine where the majority of the particles come down, (garbled) terrain.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:21:24 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; I&amp;#039;ve noticed several times in going from the sunlight into the shadow, that just as I go in, I catch an additional reflection off the LM that, along with the reflection off my face onto the visor, makes visibility very poor just at the transition (garbled) sunlight into the shadow. I essentially have so much glare coming onto my visor (garbled) shadow until (garbled) helmet actually gets in the shadow. Then it takes a short while for my eyes to adapt to the different lighting conditions. (Garbled) inside the shadow area, visibility, as we said before, is not too great, but with both visors up (garbled) you can certainly (garbled) what sort of footprints we have and the general condition of the soil. Then, after being out in the sunlight a while, it takes ... Watch it, Neil! Neil, you&amp;#039;re on the (TV) cable.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:22:40 Armstrong:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Okay.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:22:41 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Yeah. Lift up your right foot. Right foot. It&amp;#039;s still... Your toe is still hooked in it.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:22:45 Armstrong:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; That one?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:22:46 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Yeah. It&amp;#039;s still hooked in it. Wait a minute. Okay. You&amp;#039;re clear now.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:22:51 Armstrong:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:22:55 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Now, let&amp;#039;s move that over this way. Okay. I&amp;#039;ve got it.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:23:32 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The blue color of my boots has completely disappeared now into this... Still don&amp;#039;t know exactly what color to describe this other than (a) grayish-cocoa color. It seems to be covering most of the lighter part of the boot (garbled) color that (garbled) very fine particles.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:24:23 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Roger. I&amp;#039;ll try that.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:24:30 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Well, I had that one inside my mouth that time.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:25:09 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; In general, time spent in the shadow doesn&amp;#039;t seem to have any (garbled) thermal effects. (garbled) feel inside the suit. There is a difference, of course, in the (garbled) radiation and the helmet. So I think there&amp;#039;s a tendency to feel a little cooler in the shadow than we feel out in the Sun.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:28:22 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; As I look around the area, the contrast, in general, is... comes about completely by virtue of the shadows. Almost (garbled) looking down-Sun at zero-phase very light-colored gray, light gray color (garbled) a halo around my own shadow, around the shadow of my helmet.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;110:28:40 Aldrin:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Then, as I look off cross-Sun, the contrast becomes strongest in that the surrounding color is still fairly light. As you look down into the Sun (garbled) a larger amount of (garbled) shadowed area is looking toward us. The general color of the (garbled) surrounding (garbled) darker than cross-Sun. The contrast is not as great. Surveying all the dusty area that we&amp;#039;ve kicked up (garbled) considerably darker in texture.&lt;br /&gt;
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That is the salvage. The 35 minutes in the 1969 story are the reel they made that night. What could still be heard forty years later is this stretch.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The neighboring house ==&lt;br /&gt;
The house used for this check is on Deanna Drive, in the Okolona section of south Louisville, on the east side of the street. The street runs north-south. The claim was that a neighboring house would have blocked the signal.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Moon&amp;#039;s position is from JPL Horizons, DE441, for that house, with atmospheric refraction included. Azimuth is degrees clockwise from north. Elevation is the center of the Moon. West is 270°.&lt;br /&gt;
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* 02:39 UTC, hatch open: azimuth 247.9°, elevation 16.0°.&lt;br /&gt;
* 02:56 UTC, Armstrong steps off: azimuth 250.7°, elevation 12.9°.&lt;br /&gt;
* 03:15 UTC, Aldrin down: azimuth 253.7°, elevation 9.5°.&lt;br /&gt;
* 03:48 UTC, the Nixon call: azimuth 258.7°, elevation 3.4°.&lt;br /&gt;
* 03:52 UTC, the surviving tape starts: azimuth 259.3°, elevation 2.6°.&lt;br /&gt;
* 04:08 UTC, the center of the Moon on the horizon: azimuth 261.7°.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Moon was west-southwest, moving toward due west as it set. The next-door houses are north and south of his lot. From the front yard they are not on that line. The houses across the street are. They are one story, which is what the 1969 photograph shows.&lt;br /&gt;
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A roof about 5 meters high, 30 meters away, seen from an antenna a few meters up, covers the bottom 4 degrees of sky. The Moon was above those roofs from the opening of the hatch through Armstrong&amp;#039;s step, Aldrin&amp;#039;s descent, and the Nixon call. It comes down to that roofline only at the end, in the minutes on the surviving tape, when the center of the Moon was 2 to 3 degrees up.&lt;br /&gt;
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The photograph shows the antenna in an open yard, with the frame higher than the one-story roofs and open sky over the neighbor. And 259.7 MHz has a wavelength of 1.15 meters. A roof edge that hides the Moon from the eye does not make a hard wall for a wave that long. The signal on the tape is the one that got through that geometry, aimed at the Moon, and gone when the Moon set.&lt;br /&gt;
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== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Moon landings]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[MCToon Big List]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nixon Apollo 11 phone call]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Apollo evidence]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Globe evidence]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Flerf Whisperer</name></author>
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