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Graugnarz: /* Bible and history */

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Bible and history

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	Ancient cultures worldwide — Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian, Norse, Hindu, Buddhist, Chinese, Native American — all describe a flat earth covered by a firmament or dome. The Book of Enoch describes the sun and moon as the same size traveling above the flat earth, consistent with what we observe. This universal ancient knowledge was suppressed during the modern era.		'''Dave:''' Ancient cultures worldwide — Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian, Norse, Hindu, Buddhist, Chinese, Native American — all describe a flat earth covered by a firmament or dome. The Book of Enoch describes the sun and moon as the same size traveling above the flat earth, consistent with what we observe. This universal ancient knowledge was suppressed during the modern era.
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	The firmament is the solid dome described in Genesis 1 that separates the waters above from the waters below — the sky we see. It is a real, physical structure that contains the sun, moon, and stars (described as 'lights set in the firmament'). High-altitude rockets that hit a 'ceiling' and curve away, and reports of metallic reverberations at extreme altitudes, all hint at this real boundary above us.		'''Dave:''' The firmament is the solid dome described in Genesis 1 that separates the waters above from the waters below — the sky we see. It is a real, physical structure that contains the sun, moon, and stars (described as 'lights set in the firmament'). High-altitude rockets that hit a 'ceiling' and curve away, and reports of metallic reverberations at extreme altitudes, all hint at this real boundary above us.
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	Yes. Virtually every ancient civilization — Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Norse, Chinese, Hindu, Native American — described a flat earth covered by a firmament dome. They independently arrived at the same understanding through observation. Only the modern era, beginning with Copernicus and cemented by NASA, departed from this universal ancient knowledge.		'''Dave:''' Yes. Virtually every ancient civilization — Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Norse, Chinese, Hindu, Native American — described a flat earth covered by a firmament dome. They independently arrived at the same understanding through observation. Only the modern era, beginning with Copernicus and cemented by NASA, departed from this universal ancient knowledge.
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	Flat earth was the common, observable understanding of our world for the vast majority of human history. The shift began with Copernicus and accelerated with the establishment of NASA in 1958. The Apollo missions were the keystone of the modern globe deception. Today, mainstream education and media suppress flat earth research, but observable reality and growing independent investigation are reawakening the truth.		'''Dave:''' Flat earth was the common, observable understanding of our world for the vast majority of human history. The shift began with Copernicus and accelerated with the establishment of NASA in 1958. The Apollo missions were the keystone of the modern globe deception. Today, mainstream education and media suppress flat earth research, but observable reality and growing independent investigation are reawakening the truth.
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	Yes — and the modern claim that medieval people believed in a 'flat earth myth' is itself a myth. Many historical sources confirm widespread flat earth knowledge. Sailors used flat plane navigation, Mercator projection maps, and observation — all consistent with a flat world. The narrative that 'everyone thought the world was flat until Columbus' is propaganda invented in the 19th century to mock the truth.		'''Dave:''' Yes — and the modern claim that medieval people believed in a 'flat earth myth' is itself a myth. Many historical sources confirm widespread flat earth knowledge. Sailors used flat plane navigation, Mercator projection maps, and observation — all consistent with a flat world. The narrative that 'everyone thought the world was flat until Columbus' is propaganda invented in the 19th century to mock the truth.
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	Modern flat earth research traces back to Samuel Rowbotham's 'Zetetic Astronomy' in the 19th century, the Bedford Level Experiment, and Eric Dubay's '200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball.' The modern resurgence accelerated in 2014-2015 as internet research bypassed mainstream censorship. Today millions worldwide are awakening to the truth of our flat, motionless plane.		'''Dave:''' Modern flat earth research traces back to Samuel Rowbotham's 'Zetetic Astronomy' in the 19th century, the Bedford Level Experiment, and Eric Dubay's '200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball.' The modern resurgence accelerated in 2014-2015 as internet research bypassed mainstream censorship. Today millions worldwide are awakening to the truth of our flat, motionless plane.
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Graugnarz: /* Does the Bible describe a flat Earth? */

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Does the Bible describe a flat Earth?

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	Yes. The Bible consistently describes a flat, stationary Earth with a solid firmament dome above it. Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the 'circle of the Earth' (a flat disc, not a sphere). Genesis 1 describes the firmament separating waters above from waters below. The four corners of the Earth are mentioned multiple times. There is no biblical support for a spinning ball — only for the geocentric, flat plane creation we observe.		'''Dave:''' Yes. The Bible consistently describes a flat, stationary Earth with a solid firmament dome above it. Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the 'circle of the Earth' (a flat disc, not a sphere). Genesis 1 describes the firmament separating waters above from waters below. The four corners of the Earth are mentioned multiple times. There is no biblical support for a spinning ball — only for the geocentric, flat plane creation we observe.
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Graugnarz: /* Bible and history */

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Bible and history

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	===Does the Bible describe a flat Earth?===		===Does the Bible describe a flat Earth?===

			<blockquote>
	Yes. The Bible consistently describes a flat, stationary Earth with a solid firmament dome above it. Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the 'circle of the Earth' (a flat disc, not a sphere). Genesis 1 describes the firmament separating waters above from waters below. The four corners of the Earth are mentioned multiple times. There is no biblical support for a spinning ball — only for the geocentric, flat plane creation we observe.		Yes. The Bible consistently describes a flat, stationary Earth with a solid firmament dome above it. Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the 'circle of the Earth' (a flat disc, not a sphere). Genesis 1 describes the firmament separating waters above from waters below. The four corners of the Earth are mentioned multiple times. There is no biblical support for a spinning ball — only for the geocentric, flat plane creation we observe.
			</blockquote>

	===What do ancient texts say about Earth's shape?===		===What do ancient texts say about Earth's shape?===

			<blockquote>
	Ancient cultures worldwide — Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian, Norse, Hindu, Buddhist, Chinese, Native American — all describe a flat earth covered by a firmament or dome. The Book of Enoch describes the sun and moon as the same size traveling above the flat earth, consistent with what we observe. This universal ancient knowledge was suppressed during the modern era.		Ancient cultures worldwide — Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian, Norse, Hindu, Buddhist, Chinese, Native American — all describe a flat earth covered by a firmament or dome. The Book of Enoch describes the sun and moon as the same size traveling above the flat earth, consistent with what we observe. This universal ancient knowledge was suppressed during the modern era.
			</blockquote>

	===What is the firmament?===		===What is the firmament?===

			<blockquote>
	The firmament is the solid dome described in Genesis 1 that separates the waters above from the waters below — the sky we see. It is a real, physical structure that contains the sun, moon, and stars (described as 'lights set in the firmament'). High-altitude rockets that hit a 'ceiling' and curve away, and reports of metallic reverberations at extreme altitudes, all hint at this real boundary above us.		The firmament is the solid dome described in Genesis 1 that separates the waters above from the waters below — the sky we see. It is a real, physical structure that contains the sun, moon, and stars (described as 'lights set in the firmament'). High-altitude rockets that hit a 'ceiling' and curve away, and reports of metallic reverberations at extreme altitudes, all hint at this real boundary above us.
			</blockquote>

	===Do ancient non-biblical cultures support flat earth?===		===Do ancient non-biblical cultures support flat earth?===

			<blockquote>
	Yes. Virtually every ancient civilization — Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Norse, Chinese, Hindu, Native American — described a flat earth covered by a firmament dome. They independently arrived at the same understanding through observation. Only the modern era, beginning with Copernicus and cemented by NASA, departed from this universal ancient knowledge.		Yes. Virtually every ancient civilization — Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Norse, Chinese, Hindu, Native American — described a flat earth covered by a firmament dome. They independently arrived at the same understanding through observation. Only the modern era, beginning with Copernicus and cemented by NASA, departed from this universal ancient knowledge.
			</blockquote>

	===When did the flat earth become 'forbidden' knowledge?===		===When did the flat earth become 'forbidden' knowledge?===

			<blockquote>
	Flat earth was the common, observable understanding of our world for the vast majority of human history. The shift began with Copernicus and accelerated with the establishment of NASA in 1958. The Apollo missions were the keystone of the modern globe deception. Today, mainstream education and media suppress flat earth research, but observable reality and growing independent investigation are reawakening the truth.		Flat earth was the common, observable understanding of our world for the vast majority of human history. The shift began with Copernicus and accelerated with the establishment of NASA in 1958. The Apollo missions were the keystone of the modern globe deception. Today, mainstream education and media suppress flat earth research, but observable reality and growing independent investigation are reawakening the truth.
			</blockquote>

	===Did people in the Middle Ages know the Earth was flat?===		===Did people in the Middle Ages know the Earth was flat?===

			<blockquote>
	Yes — and the modern claim that medieval people believed in a 'flat earth myth' is itself a myth. Many historical sources confirm widespread flat earth knowledge. Sailors used flat plane navigation, Mercator projection maps, and observation — all consistent with a flat world. The narrative that 'everyone thought the world was flat until Columbus' is propaganda invented in the 19th century to mock the truth.		Yes — and the modern claim that medieval people believed in a 'flat earth myth' is itself a myth. Many historical sources confirm widespread flat earth knowledge. Sailors used flat plane navigation, Mercator projection maps, and observation — all consistent with a flat world. The narrative that 'everyone thought the world was flat until Columbus' is propaganda invented in the 19th century to mock the truth.
			</blockquote>

	===When did modern flat earth research begin?===		===When did modern flat earth research begin?===

			<blockquote>
	Modern flat earth research traces back to Samuel Rowbotham's 'Zetetic Astronomy' in the 19th century, the Bedford Level Experiment, and Eric Dubay's '200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball.' The modern resurgence accelerated in 2014-2015 as internet research bypassed mainstream censorship. Today millions worldwide are awakening to the truth of our flat, motionless plane.		Modern flat earth research traces back to Samuel Rowbotham's 'Zetetic Astronomy' in the 19th century, the Bedford Level Experiment, and Eric Dubay's '200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball.' The modern resurgence accelerated in 2014-2015 as internet research bypassed mainstream censorship. Today millions worldwide are awakening to the truth of our flat, motionless plane.
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			===History Rebuttal===

			It's true that most ancient civilizations used a local flat earth model, on which the sun went under the earth. What ancient cultures believed is completely irrelevant to what shape earth actually is.

			His claim that the globe started with Copernicus is a lie. Some of the earliest tests of the globe were done over 2,000 years ago. Ptolemy created a globe model in the second century CE. The oldest surviving physical globe is from the 1490s. Copernicus published his work on heliocentrism in 1543.

	==Physics and Geometry==		==Physics and Geometry==

Graugnarz: /* Antarctica */

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Antarctica

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	==Antarctica==		==Antarctica==

	===What is the Antarctic Ice Wall?===		===Ice Wall===

			====What is the Antarctic Ice Wall?====

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			====Is there evidence of an edge to the world?====

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			'''Dave:''' Yes — Antarctica itself is the edge. Walls of ice stretching as far as the eye can see have been described by every explorer who has reached the perimeter. The fact that no one is allowed to freely explore beyond these walls — and that flights and ships consistently avoid the region — is the strongest evidence that we live on a finite, bounded plane with an icy boundary.
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			====Ice Wall Rebuttal====
	There is no Ice Wall and Antarctica is larger than the USA.		There is no Ice Wall and Antarctica is larger than the USA.

	[[File:Admiral-byrd.jpg\|600px\|link={{filepath:Admiral-byrd.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/admiral-byrd <q>Admiral Byrd: “An Area As Big As The United States on the Other Side of the South Pole”</q> by flatearth.ws]</ref>		[[File:Admiral-byrd.jpg\|600px\|link={{filepath:Admiral-byrd.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/admiral-byrd <q>Admiral Byrd: “An Area As Big As The United States on the Other Side of the South Pole”</q> by flatearth.ws]</ref>

	===Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?===		===Treaty===

			====Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?====

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	'''Dave:''' The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 prevents any independent civilian exploration of Antarctica. No private expedition has ever been allowed to freely cross the continent or explore beyond approved routes. Military patrols enforce these restrictions. The level of international cooperation to restrict access is highly unusual — unless there's something significant being hidden, like the true edge of our world.		'''Dave:''' The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 prevents any independent civilian exploration of Antarctica. No private expedition has ever been allowed to freely cross the continent or explore beyond approved routes. Military patrols enforce these restrictions. The level of international cooperation to restrict access is highly unusual — unless there's something significant being hidden, like the true edge of our world.
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			====Is Antarctica heavily militarized?====

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			Yes. Despite being described as a 'scientific zone,' Antarctica has significant military oversight from multiple nations enforcing the Antarctic Treaty. Independent researchers who attempt to explore freely have been turned back, fined, or detained. The level of cooperation among normally adversarial nations to keep Antarctica restricted is highly unusual — and suspicious.
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			====Treaty Rebuttal====

	First, the Antarctic Treaty literally tells people that it encourages freedom of scientific exploration and studies.<ref>[https://www.ats.aq/e/antarctictreaty.html <q>The Antarctic Treaty</q>]</ref> Second, it explicitly forbids military operations.		First, the Antarctic Treaty literally tells people that it encourages freedom of scientific exploration and studies.<ref>[https://www.ats.aq/e/antarctictreaty.html <q>The Antarctic Treaty</q>]</ref> Second, it explicitly forbids military operations.

	===Has anyone crossed Antarctica end to end?===		===Exploration===

			====Has anyone crossed Antarctica end to end?====

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	~~Of course~~ people ~~crossed~~ Antarctica~~. For example Louis Rudd.~~		====Can ordinary people travel to Antarctica?====
	~~<ref>[https://shackleton.com/en-ch/blogs/antarctica-now/interview-louis-rudd <q>My solo crossing of Antarctica</q> by shackleton]</ref>~~

	~~===Is there evidence~~ of ~~an edge to~~ the ~~world?===~~		<blockquote>
			'''Dave:''' Only on tightly controlled, pre-approved tourist routes that stay near the perimeter. Independent expeditions are blocked, fined, or arrested. The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 grants signatory nations control over the continent and prohibits any non-sanctioned activity. The reason for such restrictions on a 'frozen wasteland' is suspicious — unless that wasteland is actually the boundary of our flat plane.
			</blockquote>

	Yes — Antarctica itself is the edge. Walls of ice stretching as far as the eye can see have been described by every explorer who has reached the perimeter. The fact that no one is allowed to freely explore beyond these walls — and that flights and ships consistently avoid the region — is the strongest evidence that we live on a finite, bounded plane with an icy boundary.		====Exploration Rebuttal====

	~~===Can ordinary~~ people ~~travel to~~ Antarctica~~?===~~		Of course people crossed Antarctica. For example Louis Rudd.
			<ref>[https://shackleton.com/en-ch/blogs/antarctica-now/interview-louis-rudd <q>My solo crossing of Antarctica</q> by shackleton]</ref>
	Only on tightly controlled, pre-approved tourist routes that stay near the perimeter. Independent expeditions are blocked, fined, or arrested. The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 grants signatory nations control over the continent and prohibits any non-sanctioned activity. ~~The reason for such restrictions on a 'frozen wasteland' is suspicious — unless that wasteland is actually the boundary of our flat plane~~.

	~~===Is Antarctica heavily militarized?===~~

	~~Yes~~. Despite being described as a 'scientific zone,' Antarctica has significant military oversight from multiple nations enforcing the Antarctic Treaty. Independent researchers who attempt to explore freely have been turned back, fined, or detained. The level of ~~cooperation among normally adversarial nations to keep~~ Antarctica ~~restricted is highly unusual — and suspicious.~~

	==Bible and history==		==Bible and history==

Graugnarz: /* Has anyone crossed Antarctica end to end? */

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Has anyone crossed Antarctica end to end?

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	No civilian has ever been allowed to cross the entirety of 'Antarctica' through its supposed center independently. All 'crossings' follow pre-approved routes around the perimeter. The reason: there is no center to cross — Antarctica is the ice wall surrounding the flat plane.		<blockquote>
			'''Dave:''' No civilian has ever been allowed to cross the entirety of 'Antarctica' through its supposed center independently. All 'crossings' follow pre-approved routes around the perimeter. The reason: there is no center to cross — Antarctica is the ice wall surrounding the flat plane.
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			Of course people crossed Antarctica. For example Louis Rudd.
			<ref>[https://shackleton.com/en-ch/blogs/antarctica-now/interview-louis-rudd <q>My solo crossing of Antarctica</q> by shackleton]</ref>

	===Is there evidence of an edge to the world?===		===Is there evidence of an edge to the world?===

Graugnarz: /* Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty? */

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Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?

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	===Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?===		===Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?===

	The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 prevents any independent civilian exploration of Antarctica. No private expedition has ever been allowed to freely cross the continent or explore beyond approved routes. Military patrols enforce these restrictions. The level of international cooperation to restrict access is highly unusual — unless there's something significant being hidden, like the true edge of our world.		<blockquote>
			'''Dave:''' The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 prevents any independent civilian exploration of Antarctica. No private expedition has ever been allowed to freely cross the continent or explore beyond approved routes. Military patrols enforce these restrictions. The level of international cooperation to restrict access is highly unusual — unless there's something significant being hidden, like the true edge of our world.
			</blockquote>

			First, the Antarctic Treaty literally tells people that it encourages freedom of scientific exploration and studies.<ref>[https://www.ats.aq/e/antarctictreaty.html <q>The Antarctic Treaty</q>]</ref> Second, it explicitly forbids military operations.

	===Has anyone crossed Antarctica end to end?===		===Has anyone crossed Antarctica end to end?===

Graugnarz: /* Links */

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Links

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	=Links=		=Links=
	[https://flatearthdave.com/faq flatearthdave.com/faq] The FAQ section on Dave's website.		[https://flatearthdave.com/faq flatearthdave.com/faq] The FAQ section on Dave's website.

			= References =
			<references/>

	[[Category:Dave Weiss]]		[[Category:Dave Weiss]]
	[[Category:Flerf lies]]		[[Category:Flerf lies]]

Graugnarz: /* What is the Antarctic Ice Wall? */

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What is the Antarctic Ice Wall?

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	===What is the Antarctic Ice Wall?===		===What is the Antarctic Ice Wall?===

	Antarctica is not a continent at the 'bottom' of a ball — it is a massive ring of ice that surrounds the entire perimeter of the flat plane, holding the oceans in. Admiral Byrd himself referenced 'an area as big as the United States that has never been explored' beyond what we're shown. This is why ships circumnavigating 'Antarctica' are really traveling in a circle along the ice wall.		<blockquote>
			'''Dave:''' Antarctica is not a continent at the 'bottom' of a ball — it is a massive ring of ice that surrounds the entire perimeter of the flat plane, holding the oceans in. Admiral Byrd himself referenced 'an area as big as the United States that has never been explored' beyond what we're shown. This is why ships circumnavigating 'Antarctica' are really traveling in a circle along the ice wall.
			</blockquote>

			There is no Ice Wall and Antarctica is larger than the USA.

			[[File:Admiral-byrd.jpg\|600px\|link={{filepath:Admiral-byrd.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/admiral-byrd <q>Admiral Byrd: “An Area As Big As The United States on the Other Side of the South Pole”</q> by flatearth.ws]</ref>

	===Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?===		===Why is Antarctica restricted by international treaty?===

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