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= TFE not an experiment =
In a debate against Will Duffy about TFE on Modern-Day Debate Flatzoid brought up a presentation about TFE not being an experiment and being a false dichotomy.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQqSOnGwRGk <q>DEBATE: Flat Earth and Antarctica Predictions | Will Duffy Vs Flatzoid | Podcast</q> by Modern-Day Debate]</ref>

[[File:Flatzoid presentation0.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation0.png}}]]

== What is Science? ==
[[File:Flatzoid presentation1.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation1.png}}]]

TFE is science as they are observing the position of the sun in Antarctica in December to determine whether the globe prediction of a 24h sun or the flat earth prediction of "nuh-uh" is true.

== Sun observations ==
[[File:Flatzoid presentation2.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation2.png}}]]

The globe predicts the sun's position exactly, as Flatzoid himself demonstrated when he observed the sunrise in Uvongo, even though he lied about the direction. The flat earth on the other hand can't make any predictions as [[Flatzoid#Predictions|Flatzoid himself declared]]. His claim of the angular size changing is a lie. What changes depending on weather conditions is the glare.

== Scientific Hypothesis ==
[[File:Flatzoid presentation3.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation3.png}}]]

[[File:Flatzoid presentation4.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation4.png}}]]

The hypothesises used are:
# Earth is a globe, orbiting the sun with an axial tilt, which predicts a 24h sun in December in Antarctica.
# Earth is flat with the North Pole in the center and Antarctica around the rim, the most popular flat earth model at the time, which predicts a 24h sun in Antarctica to be impossible. Of course the remaining flerfs immediately declared their model to not be a model, and retracted any claims as soon as they are being tested.

As we saw from the videos taking during TFE, the predicted outcome of Earth being a globe came true.

The variables are used later when it comes to testing the hypothesis.

== Independent Variable ==
[[File:Flatzoid presentation5.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation5.png}}]]

[[File:Flatzoid presentation6.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation6.png}}]]

In case of TFE the independent variables, yes Flatzoid you can have more than one independent variables, are location and time. They went to Antarctica in December to watch the sun moving 360° around them. The dependent variable is the sun's observed position from Earth, which depends on the location and time. To be really pedantic the independent variables for the globe are Earth's rotation, its axial tilt, its position in orbit around the sun, and the observer's location on Earth's surface. There is no need to directly manipulate the independent variable, they just need to change.

== False Dichotomy ==
[[File:Flatzoid presentation7.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation7.png}}]]

[[File:Flatzoid presentation8.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation8.png}}]]

There were two potential outcomes for TFE:
# Sun sets.
# Sun doesn't set.

In the first case every model with a 24h sun (i.e. the globe) are falsified and every model with a setting sun gained a piece of evidence.

In the second case the opposite is true. Every model with a setting sun (i.e. a flat earth) are falsified and every model with a sun moving around the location gained evidence.

The conclusion of TFE was of course the second case, where the globe didn't just predict the existence of a 24h sun, but also the exact position of the sun and the shadows. The flat earth on the other hand couldn't provide any kind of model that even remotely matches the observations, so they just come up with more or less ridiculous reasons to call it fake. Many of them are listed below. The only actual attempt of a working model, I've seen was made by Joe Hanvey, which has the sun being reflected on the dome. That model doesn't explain how the sun can move around Union Glacier, and if it was true, it means that it's not possible to have a sunset.

== Glaring Issues ==
[[File:Flatzoid presentation9.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flatzoid presentation9.png}}]]

Will Duffy chose an observation that most flerfs agreed would falsify the flat earth and confirm the globe. As usual as soon as the project is being done, they always request other things. Just like they did when Mr.Sensible sent M.A.G.E. 2 to show curvature, they come up with excuses to not accept it.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFBq0xnCJKE&list=PLk6dtpIYGDmhSMTSpCG3kMWujbbM9o_NS <q>M.A.G.E</q> playlist by Mr Sensible Historic]</ref>

[[File:Mage2_curve.png|600px|link={{filepath:File:Mage2_curve.png}}]]

Increasing the contrast makes Earth's curvature more visible.

[[File:Mage2_curve_high_contrast.png|600px|link={{filepath:File:Mage2_curve_high_contrast.png}}]]

For rotation, one way to see it is by using satellites, like this clip taken by GOES East<ref>[https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/index.php <q>GOES Image Viewer</q> by NOAA]</ref> during the solar eclipse of April 8, 2024. On Earth you can do an experiment like the Foucault's Pendulum<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8rrWUUlZ_U <q>Foucault's Pendulum: Watch the world turn.</q> by The Gentleman Physicist]</ref> or a precise enough gyroscope.

[[File:Solar-eclipse-small.gif|400px|link={{filepath:Solar-eclipse-small.gif}}]]

Gravity is the explanation for objects falling towards the ground and for orbits, like the moon orbiting the Earth, something that flat earth has not even an attempt of an explanation. Of course flatearthers always use some excuses to not use gravity, like saying it's buoyancy and density, even though buoyancy can't even exist without opposing another force, like the one caused by gravity.

An experiment that can be done, would be the Cavendish experiment<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbucRPiL92Q <q>The Cavendish Experiment - Obvious Gravitational Attraction</q> by MrLundScience]</ref>, which Flatzoid plans on doing himself. He needs to use the same scrutiny he used for TFE.

For example:
* A uninterrupted livestream. If the livestream is interrupted by a blackout or internet connectivity issues, the entire experiment is fake, according to his standard.
* There can't be any glitches or lens distortions, even when they can't be avoided.
* He has to call Steve from England during his livestream, as apparently that was important for TFE.
* There can't be anything orange, red, blue or any other color [[Flatzoid#Colors|he declares to be masonic]].
* He has to swear on the bible with his left hand, as [[Flatzoid#Putting_your_right_hand_on_the_bible|using the right hand is masonic]] according to him.
* There can't be any shoe, especially the left shoe, visible, as [[Flatzoid#Left_boot|that's masonic]] apparently.
* He can't form any kind of [[Flatzoid#Hand_sign|hand sign]] he declares to be masonic even accidentally.

= Someone said something =
== Sun going behind Mount Rossman ==
Flatzoid used a clip of Dave McKeegan saying that the sun was going behind Mount Rossman.<ref name="flat tfe lie compilation">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X5sWcXU8QE <q>Unreal TFE</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> In this context it simply means that the sun is further away than the mountain in the same direction as the mountain. It doesn't mean that the Mountain blocked the sun. Jeran shortly after in the same video was in Union Glacier Camp, where the sun can actually be blocked by the mountain at the end of the camp closest to the mountain.

=== Jeran said the sun set ===
The most ridiculous claim of fakery is the claim that Jeran said the sun sets. First Steve from England claimed that Jeran said the sun sets, which was debunked by DP Debunks.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pco9fPVPZs <q>Steve, Where’s My £1000? I Proved You Wrong!</q> by DP Debunks]</ref> Steve even acknowledged to be wrong and paid the 1000 £.

Now a new claim about Jeran saying the sun sets, was presented on Flatzoid's livestream.<ref>[https://youtu.be/TWRYniB1k40?t=3588 59:48 Jeran saying the sun sets?, <q>TFE The Final Experiment faked? Talk</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> By watching just a few seconds longer, it becomes clear that Jeran was talking about when he set up his mount.<ref>[https://youtu.be/VPNmpiwl5Vs?t=415 6:55 Jeran talking about setting up his mount, <q>Antarctica! Where The Sun Doesn’t Set! LIVE</q> by jeranism]</ref> He simply wanted to make sure that he captured a full 24 hours, and wasn't a few minutes short.

= Camera issues =
== Toon and Duffy aging ==
In the same video<ref name="flat tfe lie compilation"/> as in the previous lie, Flatzoid also claims that Toon and Will aged a lot, by comparing a video taken by a phone by one of the organizers of the Antarctica marathon, with the videos taken in Will's and Toon's home respectively. Something flerfs haven't done is to compare the videos Toon and Duffy took earlier in the year with the footage after TFE when the conditions are the same. It's like they know it won't work if they do that.

The main problem is when were they supposed to be in Antarctica before? The marathon is only in southern summer, so if they went for example in June, they wouldn't have met the marathon guys. In fact they wouldn't even have met them if they went a week earlier or later. Furthermore in Southern summer, Antarctica has 24h night. They also couldn't have gone a year earlier, as the first teaser was released on February 14 2024.

== Marathon runner breath ==
In a discussion with Witsit, Flatzoid claimed at the beginning that the breath of the marathon runners was always visible.

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' We showed a video of the marathon runners there a day earlier and their breath was showing the whole time and they were also at Union Glacier. So why was it possible that their breath is always showing and your guys wasn't?<ref>[https://youtu.be/HP8h4LTenbs?t=264 4:24 Flatzoid saying they always show their breath, <q>Called out by Witsit!</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>
</blockquote>

When Witsit calls him out on that, he claims that he never said that we can always see the breath of the marathon runners.
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' Now you are lying because you didn't watch any of my content so when did I say we always see their breath? [...] I said most of the time.<ref>[https://youtu.be/HP8h4LTenbs?t=942 15:42 Witsit calling Flatzoid out, <q>Called out by Witsit!</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>
</blockquote>

The breath is visible depending on the lighting conditions as shown by Dave McKeegan.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MsLg8Pjf-k <q>Does #Vapegate and 'No breath' destroy 'The Final Experiment'?</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

[[File:Breath.png|600px|link={{filepath:Breath.png}}]]

In Jeran's live stream <q>Antarctica! Where The Sun Doesn’t Set! LIVE</q>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPNmpiwl5Vs <q>Antarctica! Where The Sun Doesn’t Set! LIVE</q> by jeranism]</ref> 
he shows that his breath becomes visible depending on his location. At the beginning his breath wasn't visible, but when he moved into to the shadow, it became visible.

[[File:Jeran_breath.png|600px|link={{filepath:Jeran_breath.png}}]]

== Camera glitching means that the video is fake? ==
In the discussion with Dave McKeegan, Dave showed the footage on his insta 360. Unfortunately the camera glitched and showed a green frame. Flatzoid, dishonest as usual, took that as evidence of fakery. <ref>[https://youtu.be/cQnm1mhMP6g?t=1066 17:46 Camera glitch, <q>Blerfers Always Rinse and Repeat?</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

[[File:Dave camera glitch.png|400px|link={{filepath:"Dave camera glitch".png}}]]

== Sun changing shape ==
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' The sun shouldn't change um shape and stuff, if they claiming a 93 million mile away sun. Just to let you guys know, because that's why they claim the sun wouldn't change angular size, because it's too far away. So what's what is their excuse actually for the sun warping and going like this.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=918 15:18 Flatzoid claiming the sun changes shape, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

The sun didn't actually change shape. It's literally just lens distortion as Dave McKeegan shows.<ref>[https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?t=1481 24:41 Dave McKeegan explaining lens distortion, <q>Flat Earthers excuses are getting desperate now</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref> Furthermore the sun appearing to change shape, demonstrates that it's not possible that the background was added to the footage. It simply wouldn't happen with a fake background.

In his livestream, Dave McKeegan shows that the distortion of the sun is different between different cameras, making it impossible that they just added a background.<ref>[https://youtu.be/W9-BKj5_87A?t=17696 4:54:56 Dave McKeegan comparing the different camera footage, <q>Flat Earth desperation reaching new heights?</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref> It would require them to have a different background for each camera, with different lens distortions, while still matching the clouds.

[[File:Tfe_sun_comparison.png|800px|link={{filepath:Tfe_sun_comparison.png}}]]

== Two suns ==

[[File:Two_suns.png|800px|link={{filepath:Two_suns.png}}]]

Flatzoid thinks that this frame shows the real sun at the bottom and a fake sun on at the top.
<blockquote>
Yeah, this guys look, this, but look at that. When I saw this first I was like, hm could they just claim reflection or maybe the bottom is the real sun, the top is the fake one? Think about that guys because where's it reflecting off of because that's sky. That's where it's supposedly reflecting off of is sky. That is fake because even if you look at the sun angle, look at this it can more or less look like the sun's light is coming from there (from the bottom sun), not from there (from the top sun). Exactly. So this to me is a nail in the coffin. You can't have a reflection of the sun above the surface it's supposed to be on the surface and it also can't be a reflection, because if it's a curve, remember curves go like this, the light would not be able to go around like they're showing this. It wouldn't be able to be situated. It's showing it below the um the ground there, so that's a low sun, that is a fake sun. You can even see, look how clear (botom sun) that is and look how blurry (top sun). You see how clear this is, look how blurry the sun is there.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=1736 28:56 Flatzoid and the fake sun, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

The bottom "sun" is a reflection on clouds. The actual sun is the one at the top. The sunlight clearly comes from above. If it came from below the hill Dave is standing on would be in shade, which it isn't. Furthermore, both suns are blurry because of the clouds.

We probably get more footage from that time once the documentary is released.

== Sun in front ==

=== Mountain ===
Flatzoid thinks the sun went in front of the mountain.

[[File:Sun_in_front_of_mountain.png|600px|link={{filepath:Sun_in_front_of_mountain.png}}]]

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' The sun actually goes in front of the the mountain.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=1913 31:53 Flatzoid and the sun in front of the mountain, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

That effect is literally just glare. The funny thing is that he filmed the same effect himself. Is he saying that the sun in his sunrise video went in front of the horizon?

[[File:Uvongo-sunrise-flatzoid.png|600px|link={{filepath:Uvongo-sunrise-flatzoid.png}}]]

=== Toon's head ===
"Flat Earth Reconnaissance" brought up a similar claim that the sun is in front of Toon's head. <ref>[https://youtu.be/0BzYJpl4ppE?t=2906 48:26 Toon's head behind the sun, <q>The Final Experiment Discussion | Sam Flat Earth Reconnaissance vs. Dave McKeegan & Me | 10-22--2025</q> by jeranism]</ref>

[[File:Toon_sun.png|600px|link={{filepath:Toon_sun.png}}]]

Jeran presented a video where the sun appears to be in front of the pole.<ref>[https://youtu.be/0BzYJpl4ppE?t=2979 49:39 Sun behind pole, <q>The Final Experiment Discussion | Sam Flat Earth Reconnaissance vs. Dave McKeegan & Me | 10-22--2025</q> by jeranism]</ref>

[[File:Sun_lamppost.png|600px|link={{filepath:Sun_lamppost.png}}]]

== Lens flares ==
Flatzoid doesn't understand that the lens flares will be the same after 24 hours when using the same camera pointed at the sun at the same angle, which is the case when the camera is mounted on a rotating tripod.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlkqf9rQzy8 Flatzoid not understanding lens flares, <q>WIll Duffy Lied about the 24 Hour sun video again!</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

[[File:Lensflares.png|600px|link={{filepath:Lensflares.png}}]]

He also doesn't understand that different lenses result in different flares.<ref>[https://youtu.be/uwUNP55gb2Y?t=2324 38:44 Flatzoid not understanding lens flares again, <q>Can You REALLY Trust The Biblical Flat Earth Model?</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> 

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' The point I'm trying to make now is, look at the sun specifically. How it looks okay and we can compare it to actual footage from Antarctica, that's practically how it looks, but the ones we saw from their 24hour time lapses and stuff doesn't look like that.
</blockquote>

For comparison, here is a frame from the TFE trailer.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9PFKCnrcT8 <q>The Final Experiment Documentary - Official Trailer</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

[[File:tfe_sun_trailer.png|600px|link={{filepath:tfe_sun_trailer.png}}]]

And one from Dave McKeegan's 24h timelapse.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0B1OQG3-M <q>Timelapse of the 24 hour Antarctic sun</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

[[File:tfe_sun_timelapse.png|600px|link={{filepath:tfe_sun_timelapse.png}}]]

== Corner ==
YouTube maps a 360° video on a cube, which result in some artifacts like seeing a corner in the footage. Flerfs think that means the 24h sun was filmed in a studio.

[[File:Corner.png|600px|link={{filepath:Corner.png}}]]<ref>[https://youtu.be/R3SvwVEEIW8?t=272 4:32 Corner, <q>TFE Mistakes Compilation</q> by Flat Earth Reconnaissance]</ref>

= Environment =
== Union Glacier Camp not visible ==
Another lie is the claim that Toon and Duffy filmed the site off season, when Union Glacier Camp wasn't set up, because the camp isn't visible in the footage.<ref name="flat tfe lie compilation"/> In reality the camp is simply lower than halfway-point, where TFE was, as shown by the drone footage.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1yKGnMzVoE <q>The Final Experiment Mile High Drone with Ascent and Descent by Will Duffy Telemetry by WheresWally</q> by WheresWally]</ref>

[[File:Union-glacier-drone.png|600px|link={{filepath:Union-glacier-drone.png}}]]

== Snow ==
Flatzoid talks about Witsit walking a few meters away to get some snow.
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' Asked this many times. Uh, why did he walk away to get snow? Well his argument was there was no loose snow by him. Where if you look at the 360 footage, there is a lot of snow right by the camera on the barrel where his uh laptop was.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=634 10:34 Flatzoid talking about Witsit getting snow, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

The area around the TFE location was compacted, so it's not easy to grab the snow. Witsit simply didn't notice the snow near the barrel, so he simply walked to a place outside of the compacted area to get some loose snow.

What is even the argument? Witsit didn't use the snow near the barrel, therefore that snow is fake? Either all the snow is fake or all is real. It makes no sense to use different kinds of material to use as snow.

Arctic Reflections made a video about the snow.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPwRaF4rq8g <q>The South African flat earth snow expert!</q> by Arctic Reflections]</ref>

== Footprints ==
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' When they were walking on that, um, on that compacted ice, snow, there was supposed to show footprints even if it is compacted. Remember it's got little ridges and they, their shoes have little, uh, you know, every all shoes, all in their soles always have little indentations and things like that. So it should break off pieces of that. It didn't break off nothing um and sometimes they walked that showed, sometimes it didn't, sometimes the the uh footprints, it just appeared out of nowhere. So yes the nonsense excuse of no there was it was just compact ice.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=745 12:25 Flatzoid complaining about lack of footprints, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

The snow around the TFE camp was compacted so it's difficult to leave footprints. Footprints still accumulated over time as Dave McKeegan shows in his video.<ref>[https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?t=1278 21:18 Dave McKeegan explaining footprints, <q>Flat Earthers excuses are getting desperate now</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

Furthermore Will Duffy's 24 non time lapse video shows the participants leave footprints.<ref>[https://youtu.be/Gv4nUyTQcVw?t=790 13:10 Leaving footprints in Antarctica, <q>World's First Non-Timelapse Video of the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica! (Part 1)</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

== Weather reports ==
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' I remember when we were still, um, watching the live from uh from Witsit and them and we were like, we went over the weather report there, and we're looking at the Witsit live weather report while they were there, and it was showing cloudy and windy, yet while they were live there was no clouds, there were, there was no wind and we've never got an answer to it at all.
</blockquote>

Antarctica is a large continent with very few weather stations. So the weather reports are less accurate than in more populated areas. There was a storm coming up, that's the reason they had to leave a day earlier.

== Sun ==
=== Local sun ===
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' There's only two possibilities here the sun is real for some odd reason there and uh they filmed a local sun. Great so let's say we accepted their deception as real, yes then they just to proved that the sun was local and not 93 million miles away, but if we do uh also accept that it's just a deception and nothing they presented was actually evidential as true, it debunks them anyway because it also shows they had to fabricate it, because it didn't suit their narrative. So it doesn't matter which way they go. They proved the sun is not 93 million miles away and they proved it's not a globe.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=683 11:23 Flatzoid talking about the sun, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

That makes absolutely no sense. How does the sun being real and the same angular size as it is in Uvongo South Africa, where Flatzoid filmed the sun, mean that the sun is locally moving 360° around Union Glacier, which doesn't work on any flat earth? The globe predicted the exact position of the sun and the resulting shadows for a sun that's about 151 million km away, on a rotating globe. The flat earth couldn't even predict that the sun would be visible for 24 hours or that the sun rises South of East in Uvongo, South Africa in Southern Summer as Flatzoid himself demonstrated.

There is no prediction of a local sun that matches the observations, so how is the local sun correct?

=== Sun distance not demonstrated ===
Flerfs are getting desperate and are claiming that TFE failed because they didn't demonstrate that the sun is 93 million miles away.

[[File:Sun_distance.png|700px|link={{filepath:Sun_distance.png}}]]

Flerfs don't even understand that the distance to the sun is not relevant to the observation, so they are grasping at straws, as they notice the flat earth doesn't explain anything.

=== Sun is North of Union Glacier? ===
While discussing The Final Experiment's observation of the Sun in Antarctica, Flatzoid referred to the Time and Date's map on their website for December 14, 2024, and said that since the Sun's icon was placed north of Antarctica on the map at local midnight, the participants of TFE were lying because they saw the Sun towards their South, as it should have been North of them.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/tp4cssxfJd8?si=r5U1zvOnlQU-Bmj4&t=6296 1:44:56  <q>It's a Psyop 5k special</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> 

The first mistake he made is that he use midnight UTC, which is not local midnight. At that time the sun is West of the TFE camp.

[[File:Timeanddate-midnight-utc.png|600px|link={{filepath:Timeanddate-midnight-utc.png}}]]

Local Midnight is around 6:00 UTC.

[[File:Timeanddate-local-midnight.png|600px|link={{filepath:Timeanddate-local-midnight.png}}]]

The second mistake is that he treated a [[Wikipedia:Cylindrical projection|cylindrical map projection]] as representative of globe geometry (just like flerfs do when claiming [[Flight paths|flight paths don’t work on a globe]]). This is so elementary as to be plainly dishonest.

On the globe the actual position of the sun is indeed South of Union Glacier at local midnight in the direction of Mount Rossman. The worst part is that Flatzoid actually knows that. He showed that in a [[Flatzoid#Flatzoid_confuses_East_and_West|previous stream]] where he confused East and West using Google Earth. 

[[File:Google-Earth-TFE-Local-midnight.png|600px|link={{filepath:Google-Earth-TFE-Local-midnight.png}}]]

In case Flatzoid complains about the compass in the top right corner showing North towards the left, that's because my position above the globe is slightly left of the South Pole. It's in the direction of South from the position of the TFE camp.

=== The sun is a reflection ===

Flerfs claim that the sun is a reflection in Antarctica. Dave McKeegan presented two tests to show that's not the case.<ref>[https://youtu.be/TbluPxJhOxA <q>The Sun is a reflection?</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

1) He compared the sunspots in Antarctica with the photos taken at different locations on Earth. The sunspots are rotated like the globe predicts, but not reflected.

[[File:Sunspots.png|600px|link={{filepath:Sunspots.png}}]]

2) The second test is by using a polarization filter. Reflections are polarized while the sun itself isn't.

[[File:Sunreflection.png|600px|link={{filepath:Sunreflection.png}}]]

[[File:Sunfilter.png|600px|link={{filepath:Sunfilter.png}}]]

=== The light is not the sun ===
Flerfs are also claiming that the bright object in the sky is not the sun, or at least wasn't demonstrated to be the sun. The sunspots demonstrate that the bright object in the sky is indeed the sun as other people around the globe observed as well.

[[File:Not_sun.png|600px|link={{filepath:Not_sun.png}}]]

Toon also has a page about the sun
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/sun/ <q>What do people know about the Sun</q> by MCToon]</ref>
, which flerfs of course refuse to even look at.

== Vanishing vehicles ==
Flatzoid thinks the vehicles just disappear.<ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=2147 35:47 Flatzoid confused by Vehicles going downhill, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> In fact they simply went downhill as Union Glacier is lower than the TFE camp.

== Flatzoid and the South pole ==
Flatzoid thinks that the existence of the South pole in reality is a straw-man, because the flat earth doesn't have a South pole. He also doesn't understand that 90° is not a single location on a flat earth. It's only a single location on the globe.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/tK81Jp_XTJk?t=3106 51:46 <q>The Pole is Duffy's new strawman</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> Will Duffy asked him to point out where 90° South is on a map, which of course Flatzoid couldn't answer and just kept deflecting.<ref name="flatzoid south pole">[https://youtu.be/mB5cNbQj3fc?t=315 5:15, <q>Deceptive Duffy show up</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>
</blockquote>

In case Flatzoid reads the wiki. The sign of Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station shows Antarctica as the continent it is on the globe.

[[File:Amundsen-scott-south-pole-base.jpg|400px|link={{filepath:Amundsen-scott-south-pole-base.jpg}}]]

In another stream, Flatzoid's panel talks about there being seven South Poles and Flatzoid just accepts that as truth.<ref>[https://youtu.be/cQnm1mhMP6g?t=277 4:37 The seven poles, <q>Blerfers Always Rinse and Repeat?</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

== Glaciers are not on land ==
Flatzoid thinks that glaciers aren't on land.

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' Maybe, um maybe Mr Duffy doesn't do his homework, like he claims to do. Union Glacier is a glacier it's not Antarctica. 

'''SSUM:''' right 

'''Flatzoid:''' It's ice. You're on a glacier. You're on a big block of ice. 

'''???:''' Like a plateau, a giant plateau.

'''Flatzoid:''' you have to go deeper to reach Antarctica. Actually they claim it's part of Antarctica but it's just the outer edges, the how can I put it, the Stup. 

'''SSUM:''' The shoreline.

'''Flatzoid:''' Yeah the shoreline. The, the Ice, yeah, it's not actually the land.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/GEmFjWYn1Cs?t=3690 1:01:30 Flatzoid confusing icebergs and glaciers, <q>TFE shows more fakery?</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

Glaciers are ice masses on land.

<blockquote>
A glacier (US: /ˈɡleɪʃər/; UK: /ˈɡlæsiə/ or /ˈɡleɪsiə/) is a persistent body of dense ice, a form of rock, that is constantly moving downhill under its own weight. A glacier forms where the accumulation of snow exceeds its ablation over many years, often centuries. It acquires distinguishing features, such as crevasses and seracs, as it slowly flows and deforms under stresses induced by its weight. As it moves, it abrades rock and debris from its substrate to create landforms such as cirques, moraines, or fjords. Although a glacier may flow into a body of water, it forms only on land and is distinct from the much thinner sea ice and lake ice that form on the surface of bodies of water.
</blockquote><ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier <q>Glacier</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

Furthermore, Union Glacier is over 700 km away from the closest shoreline.

[[File:Union_glacier_location.png|600px|link={{filepath:Union_glacier_location.png}}]]

== Wind ==
According to flerfs there is no wind in the videos, but if you actually watch the non-timelapse videos, you can hear the wind.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/R60wq4XQiZc <q>360-Degree Video of the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica Refutes Flat Earthers! (Backstory in description)</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twoOrCTZimA <q>360-Degree Video of the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica Refutes Flat Earthers! - Part 2</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/yXtFAbLyjVs <q>360-Degree Video of the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica Refutes Flat Earthers! - Part 3</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

Even better, in Toon's 24h sun videos, you can watch the wind move the flags.
<ref name=Toon1>[https://youtu.be/qbQJx9T5_WU <q>Antarctic 360° Real Time 24 Hour Sun Part A</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref>
<ref name=Toon2>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95P8urNDzDQ <q>Antarctic 360° Real Time 24 Hour Sun Part B</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref>
<ref name=Toon3>[https://youtu.be/Mp4E2PQLUgg <q>Antarctic 360° Real Time 24 Hour Sun Part C</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref>

[[File:Flag_wind_1.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flag_wind_1.png}}]]

[[File:Flag_wind_2.png|600px|link={{filepath:Flag_wind_2.png}}]]

== Drone gate ==

Flerfs think that the drone beeps because it's close to a wall, completely ignoring that Toon is the obstruction that the drone detected.

[[File:Drone.png|600px|link={{filepath:Drone.png}}]]<ref>[https://youtu.be/kgooRDnP6-4?t=229 3:49 Dronegate, <q>TFE Mistakes Compilation - Part 2</q> by Flat Earth Reconnaissance]</ref>

== Blue shadows ==
Flerfs think that blue shadows means that it's fake. As the following photo shows, blue shadows are perfectly normal in snowy environments.

[[File:Blue_shadow.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Blue_shadow.jpg}}]]
<ref>[https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-image-snow-shadow-image413166 <q>Snow and Shadow</q> by dreamstime]</ref>

= How to fake =
== Flatzoid claims TFE was rendered in Unreal Engine ==
During a debate between Flatzoid and Dave McKeegan, Flatzoid claimed that he thinks that TFE could have been done in Unreal Engine.

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' My uh idea is how they could have faked it was Duffy or someone could have gone earlier and and got high def HDRs uh surround environments of Antarctica, because when you look at the in the footage we don't see Union Glacier anywhere around there and they're only about 1.5 km away you should see Union Glacier camp we don't see Union Glacier camp at Mount Rossman. So that shows that they were either probably there when it was off-season when there were no tourists available, they were able to get their uh environment done, HDR environment done, and they could make recreate it in Unreal Engine 5 if they wanted to and therefore when they did all really go down in December they were able to just fake the sky and have the rest as a real environment.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4xhvYvFWps&t=11820s 7:18 Flatzoid claiming TFE was faked in Unreal Engine, <q>A Flat Earth "Debate" - Dave McKeegan VS Flatzoid - Was The Sun In Antarctica Fake?</q> by Craig McNeill - FTFE]</ref>
</blockquote>

Dave McKeegan made a great video about how it's not possible to use Unreal Engine to fake TFE.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA7h1gwmNzU <q>We faked the 24hr sun with Unreal Engine .... Apparently</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

As for the camp not being visible, [[Flatzoid#Union_Glacier_Camp_not_visible|that was already explained before]].

== Green Screen ==
[[File:Green_screen.png|500px|link={{filepath:Green_screen.png}}]]

Flatzoid tried to show how TFE was faked by supposedly using a green screen<ref>[https://youtu.be/fj7_F9qTv3k?t=1170 19:30 Flatzoid failing to understand green screens, <q>How to fake the final experiment</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>, completely ignoring that the TFE team already showed that it's not possible for them to have used a green screen.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxC9cZx5Jcw <q>The Final Experiment Drone Supercut Time Synchronized Videos Debunking Dronegate 4K</q> by WheresWally]</ref> WheresWally's video also shows that a studio is not possible as they are walking through a vastly larger area, also the studio can't be used with multiple different cameras filming it from vastly different angles.

[[File:Drone_supercut.png|500px|link={{filepath:Drone_supercut.png}}]]

=== Chroma Key ===
Related to the Green Screen is the flerf claim that the trip was faked because Will forgot to turn off the Chroma key setting on his computer. Rational wiki has a good image showing how it would look like if they actually used a green screen.<ref>[https://rationalwiki.org/w/images/e/e1/Chroma_key_debunk.jpg Chroma Key <q>The Final Experiment</q> b< Rational wiki]</ref>

[[File:Chroma_key_debunk.jpg|500px|link={{filepath:Chroma_key_debunk.jpg}}]]

== Sun Projection ==
DITRH claims that the sun is a projection. Rational wiki calculated how much energy would be required to create a realistic sun.<ref>[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Final_Experiment#.22The_Sun_was_a_hologram.2C_faked_using_multiple_projectors.21.22 Power calculation for projected sun, <q>The Final Experiment</q> by Rational wiki]</ref>

[[File:Sun_projection.png|500px|link={{filepath:Sun_projection.png}}]]
<ref>[https://youtu.be/5Mcz44uN_II?t=375 6:15 DITRH sun projection, <q>The Most Ridiculous Flat Earth Explanation You'll Ever See</q> by SciManDan]</ref>

== LED Studio ==

Another way flerfs claim how it could have been faked is by using an LED wall. The problem with that is that LED walls don't produce shadows and they aren't fully enclosed. Furthermore you might notice they don't have a corner as was claimed as evidence before.

[[File:Led_studio_shadows.png|500px|link={{filepath:Led_studio_shadows.png}}]]
<ref>[https://youtu.be/Ufp8weYYDE8?t=146 2:26 LED screen, <q>Why 'The Mandalorian' Uses Virtual Sets Over Green Screen | Movies Insider</q> by Insider]</ref>

== The sun is Satan ==
Probably the most ridiculous claim comes from Dean Odle, who says that the sun is Satan.

<blockquote>
'''Dean Odle:'''  Satan has a lot invested in this. You don't think he would go: "Okay boys, y'all head on down there to Antarctica, I'll be there on this day. I'll clear the weather up for for you and I'll be the Angelic light in the sky." Cuz, see I'm going to tell you right now, I've always said there could be sunlight there but not the sun.
</blockquote>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/-GCVcZtJ7L8?t=48 00:48 Dean Odle claiming the sun is Satan, <q>The Flat Earthers are Really Starting to Panic About The Final Experiment</q> by SciManDan]</ref>

== Las Vegas Sphere ==
Some flerfs think it was faked in the Las Vegas Sphere. One obvious problem with that claim is that there are rows of seats in the way.

[[File:Las_vegas_sphere_inside.jpg|500px|link={{filepath:Las_vegas_sphere_inside.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://www.dreamsabroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Photo-by-Chris-Combe-Made-Available-by-Flickr-A-Look-at-the-Graphics-Inside-the-Sphere-Las-Vegas-During-a-U2-Concert-How-to-Visit-the-Sphere-in-Las-Vegas-1-scaled.jpg <q>Las Vegas Sphere inside</q> by Chris Combe]</ref>

== TFE was filmed in a soundstage in Punta Arenas ==
Some people claim that TFE was filmed in a soundstage in Punta Arenas.

[[File:Soundstage.png|500px|link={{filepath:Soundstage.png}}]]

What do we get as evidence for the soundstage? Them pointing at a large building at the airport. No evidence that the building is a soundstage whatsoever. Claiming that no one has shown it's not a soundstage is not evidence that it is. The burden is on the claim, not on falsifying it.

[[File:Soundstage_punta.png|500px|link={{filepath:Soundstage_punta.png}}]]

= General Issues =
== Plane flight ceiling ==
According to Flatzoid the flight ceiling of planes flying over Antarctica is 13,000 feet.<ref>[https://youtu.be/uwUNP55gb2Y?t=2211 36:51 Flight ceiling, <q>Can You REALLY Trust The Biblical Flat Earth Model?</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' Why they have a ceiling of 13,000 ft when flying in Antarctica?
</blockquote>

Of course that's a lie. The planes fly at over 35,000 ft. Apparently Flatzoid already looked that up himself.

[[File:Antarctica altitude.png|400px|link={{filepath:Antarctica_altitude.png}}]]

== Calling Steve from England ==
Flatzoid had a livestream with Steve from England and Will Duffy to ask among other things about Will not calling Steve on the first day.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqXCpgOmmBM <q>Let's have a talk!</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref> Steve was annoyed that he wasn't called the first day, even though Will specifically stated that he might not be able to call Steve on the first day.

<blockquote>
'''Will Duffy:''' So let's talk about the clouds for a second. So I don't know which day we're going to be able to do this. Um, maybe we can do it on the 14th, but if, but if we can't, maybe we'll do it on the 15th. We have, we have a few days, if there's cloud coverage, I think what we should do is, try to do it the next day, and I think we should try to do it each day until we have clear skies.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/8jAG9uxQxgw?t=2457 40:57 Will talking about cloud coverage with Steve, <q>Flat Earther Will Admit He's Wrong if We Do THIS in Antarctica</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

<blockquote>
'''Will Duffy:''' I'm giving you my my word here publicly and I'm looking forward to doing this test with you specifically at that time one of the days we're there.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/8jAG9uxQxgw?t=2783 46:23 Will Duffy telling Steve that he will call one of the days he is in Antarctica, <q>Flat Earther Will Admit He's Wrong if We Do THIS in Antarctica</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

If having a live call is so important, Critical Think had one with his friend<ref name="critical_call">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Ij1lr5OKs <q>Conversations with a flattie about the Sun.</q> by Critical Think]</ref>. There is a second call, <q>Where are the guns</q> call between Toon and Oakley<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwNkVviosM <q>I Called a Flat Earther from Antarctica</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW4Esq_qgGM <q>Two sides of a story: McToon calls Oakley</q> by Bert Rickles]</ref>. That call wasn't livestreamed, but the 360° cameras captured it.<ref>[https://youtu.be/vzGvqEObA6c?t=2353 39:13 Where are the guns, <q>World's First Non-Timelapse Video of the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica! (Part 3)</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/jliLRasB48U?t=1157 19:17 Where are the guns, <q>360° Timelapse of capturing the 24hr Antarctic sun</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

== 24 hour live stream ==
Flatzoid and his panel like to bring up the TFE team not having a 24 hour livestream. Will never promised that they will have a 24 hour live stream, as he didn't know how well the Starlink would perform in Antarctica. He did attempt it, but because of a software update of his phone and Starlink, the stream was interrupted and in the end aborted. Flerfs like to demand the evidence they didn't get, and even if they did get it, they wouldn't accept it.

There were multiple live streams during TFE
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_LNSbStu9c <q>It's Midnight in Antarctica!</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1vXwAT6P5k <q>There Are No Green Screens in Antarctica (Here's Proof!)</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBIyN7ZWifE <q>The Final Experiment Live from Antarctica!</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paQ7nklL8X4 <q>Live 100% Flat Earth Destruction Guaranteed</q> by MCToon Live]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDJlAfTgns <q>Critical Think is live at Union Glacier</q> by Critical Think]</ref>
<ref name="critical_call"/>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQknVsqbDfg <q>Critical Think in Antarctica live with the Wolf Pack</q> by Critical Think]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOYpeysawuw <q>The 24 hour sun has been captured in Antarctica!</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOW_FTWMVV0 <q>We are LIVE from ANTARCTICA. Like WTF. Share this! Insanity</q> by jeranism]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPNmpiwl5Vs <q>Antarctica! Where The Sun Doesn’t Set! LIVE</q> by jeranism]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nteDLN8kX2k <q>SUNSPOT Observations from 80 Degrees South</q> by jeranism]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjTegLsl6lQ <q>My Last Live From The Ice. Goodbye Antarctica! You Will Not Be Missed!</q> by jeranism]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3839ioLw6-o <q>Flat Earther and Film Maker on #TheFinalExperiment - Live From Antarctica!</q> by Jonathan Mariande]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFxzu2reS_o <q>Live from Antarctica - One Small Step for Man, One Giant Leap for Flat Earth</q> by Witsit Gets It]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idrvFgrMK_A <q>Showing experiments in Antarctica</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref>
, the ones taking place outside at halfway point, were all captured by the 360° cameras.

Of course they are just claiming that all of those were fake.

== Boarding pass ==
Some flerfs requested the boarding pass of everyone. As if one of them can't show their pass, then the ones who showed it, didn't go. Both Toon
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/tfe/ <q>The Final Experiment</q> by MCToon]</ref>
and Dave
<ref>[https://youtu.be/0BzYJpl4ppE?t=7621 2:07:01 Dave's boarding pass, <q>The Final Experiment Discussion | Sam Flat Earth Reconnaissance vs. Dave McKeegan & Me | 10-22--2025</q> by jeranism]</ref> 
presented their tickets, of course getting the tickets isn't accepted when presented. Toon uploaded the full flight from Punta Arenas to Antarctica to demonstrate that they actually went to Antarctica.<ref>[https://youtu.be/vNGG91BJTfQ <q>Flight to Antarctica December 2024</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref>

[[File:Dave_ticket.png|400px|link={{filepath:Dave_ticket.png}}]]

[[File:Toon_boarding_pass_digital.png|400px|link={{filepath:Toon_boarding_pass_digital.png}}]]
[[File:Toon_boarding_pass_paper.png|400px|link={{filepath:Toon_boarding_pass_paper.png}}]]

Jeran burned his ticket in Antarctica.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?t=15893 4:24:53 Jeran burning his ticket, <q>jeranism Antarctica GoPro Chest Cam Footage Full HD Flight & Landing - Union Glacier Camp - 12/2024</q> by jeranism]</ref> 

[[File:Jeran_burn_ticket.png|400px|link={{filepath:Jeran_burn_ticket.png}}]]

Flat Earth Reconnaissance is fully aware of that, as it's in his <q>TFE Mistakes Compilation</q> video.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/kgooRDnP6-4?t=517 8:37 Jeran boarding pass, <q>TFE Mistakes Compilation - Part 2</q> by Flat Earth Reconnaissance]</ref> 
They are asking for something they already have.

[[File:Jeran_boarding_pass.png|400px|link={{filepath:Jeran_boarding_pass.png}}]]

=== Lying about claiming they didn't go ===
Additionally there are other flerfs claiming that no flerf claims that the TFE participants didn't go.

[[File:Not_sun.png|500px|link={{filepath:Not_sun.png}}]]

= Timing issues =
== Date of Arrival ==
<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' 10th of December. He claimed they literally got there and then they had to get ready and go eat, and then leave the next day, to uh go to uh Union Glacier. And they went to Union Glacier on the 14th. So that means his ticket that says the 10th of December shows he was at Punta Arenas way before he claimed to be there.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/oRlfyBtP8uQ?t=7166 1:59:26 Flatzoid and the ticket, <q>The #1 TFE Misconception That's Ruining Your Biblical Understanding</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

Jeran arrived on the 10th at Punta Arenas. They stayed a few days in Punta Arenas, where they did some observations like the sunset in the South West, before continuing their journey to Union Glacier. After they arrived at Union Glacier on the 14th that's when he said that they arrived, ate something and moved immediately to the TFE camp.

== No 24h sun footage before TFE ==
Plenty of flerfs claim that TFE is fake because there should have been footage of the 24h sun already. Of course footage of the 24h sun already exists
<ref name="frozen">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZa9oZDN5g <q>Frozen South: Antarctica 24 hour Sun 4K</q> by Anthony Powell]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZ7Jel62js <q>Antarctica 24hr Sunlight VR 8K</q> by Anthony Powell]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/K0ICoBENwiM?t=787 13:07 24h sun, <q>Anthony Powell Vindicated by The Final Experiment</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>
, which flerfs obviously just call fake.

Additionally <q>Earth Is Life</q> made a compilation video of people witnessing the 24h sun in Antarctica. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXtZpM3vpk <q>Yes, The 24 Hour Sun Is Real. We've Seen it. Are They All Lying? #thefinalexperiment</q> by Earth Is Life]</ref>

<blockquote>
'''Ron Harris (The Limitless Channel):''' Uh all the different videos of the sun in the south circling above the horizon started coming out last spring after Will announced his final experiment.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/XzqbEp32c-E?t=1279 <q>SBVR Explains Every One of Duffy’s 12 “Experiments”: While SPACEBALL SHILLS McToon & FTFE Run & Hide</q> by Awake Souls]</ref>

That's clearly a lie. The "Frozen South" video for example was posted in 2015.<ref name="frozen" />

== P3 Orion ==
SSUM claims that TFE didn't take place at the time they tell, because of a Facebook post from December 17, 2024 about an Orion plane landing, which wasn't mentioned by the TFE participants.

[[File:Orion_ale.png|600px|link={{filepath:Orion_ale.png}}]]<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/antarcticlogistics/posts/history-in-the-making-ale-is-proud-to-support-the-chilean-navys-first-landing-of/1127544872629801/ <q>Antarctic Logistics & Expeditions's post</q> by ALE]</ref>

The plane actually landed on Saturday the 7th December 2024.

<blockquote>
El sábado 7 fue un día histórico para la Armada de Chile (ACH). Luego de cinco horas de vuelo y cerca de medio año de preparación, la aeronave P-3 “Orión” ACH aterrizó en la Estación Polar Científica Conjunta “Glaciar Unión”, ubicada en la latitud 80° Sur, en la Tierra de Ellsworth, sobre el Territorio Chileno Antártico.

'''Translation:''' Saturday the 7th was a historic day for the Chilean Navy (ACH). After a five-hour flight and nearly six months of preparation, the ACH P-3 "Orion" aircraft landed at the "Unión Glacier" Joint Scientific Polar Station, located at 80° South latitude in Ellsworth Land, Chilean Antarctic Territory.
</blockquote><ref>[https://www.armada.cl/avion-de-la-armada-de-chile-y-equipo-del-centro-de-estudios-cientificos <q>Avión de la Armada de Chile y equipo del Centro de Estudios Científicos aterrizan en Glaciar Unión – Antártica y marcan un hito en la Aviación Naval chilena</q> by armada.cl]</ref>

== They went a year earlier ==
Flerfs like Flatzoid claim that the TFE people went to Antarctica a year earlier to film the background to use the year they went. How does that claim even make sense? If they already went a year earlier they could have filmed the 24h sun a year earlier. They had live streams where they interacted with the chat while filming the 24h sun, and being filmed by the cameras.

== They flew on the 16th ==
A really dumb claim is that they boarded the plane on the 14th, to film that flight, but left that plane and actually flew on the 16th.

[[File:Zesta_flight_claim.png|800px|link={{filepath:Zesta_flight_claim.png}}]]

Their reasoning is really stupid. They claim that because you can't see the faces of the TFE people, that it means they weren't on board of that flight. For the flight on the 16th, that the TFE supposedly took, has no evidence whatsoever. No video in the terminal, none in the plane, absolutely nothing. Somehow having absolutely nothing is better than a video of the entire flight, where you can hear the TFE people talk etc, but just can't see their faces. Bert Rickles even made a super-cut, with the view from different cameras on the flight of the 14th.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXedoj8v6Zc&lc=UgwVLOVM-B8HlAJqILt4AaABAg.AR-m8ty2MjpARCCB_FYyt- <q>What a surprise... Flat Earthers refuse to look at things they don't like</q> by Bert Rickles]</ref>

[[File:Zesta_flight_claim_2.png|800px|link={{filepath:Zesta_flight_claim_2.png}}]]

= Masonic rituals =
== Nipples on ice ==
Taking a group photo with some people being topless is also masonic, according to Flatzoid or his viewers.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4xhvYvFWps&t=452s 30:31 Dave McKeegan explaining the topless group photo, <q>A Flat Earth "Debate" - Dave McKeegan VS Flatzoid - Was The Sun In Antarctica Fake?</q> by Craig McNeill - FTFE]</ref> 

[[File:Mason_checker.png|500px|link={{filepath:Mason_checker.png}}]]

<blockquote>
'''Flatzoid:''' The problem with that is it's based on a Mason ritual. Especially the the check, cuz it's shirt off, shirt on, shirt off, shirt on, and that's why everybody is saying, yeah it's based on on Freemason symbolism.
</blockquote>

== Left boot ==
According to Flatzoid putting a left boot under a table is masonic.<ref name=mason>[https://youtu.be/HTqefl2irYo?t=2530 42:10 Flatzoid masonic rituals, <q>Coffee chat</q> by Creality Jesus Saves]</ref>

[[File:Mason_boot.png|500px|link={{filepath:Mason_boot.png}}]]

When you actually read the text, which Flatzoid obviously didn't. You can see that the ritual involves taking off your shoe when entering a building. Dave McKeegan was outside and didn't even wear that boot.

<blockquote>
The custom of removing shoes on entering a sacred building dates to extreme antiquity, it is a token of reverence and humility.

It is known as the “Rite of Discalceation” and in the language of symbolism, signifies that the place that is approached in reverence and humility is consecrated to some holy purpose.
</blockquote><ref>[https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202302masonic-miscellanies-bare-feet-and-freemasonry/ Bare Feet and Fremasonery, by the square magazine]</ref>

The boot was used to keep the battery packs warm. Another claim concerning the boot is that the boot couldn't be used for that, because the boot would cool down. It does indeed cool down a bit when leaving it outdoors, but it still provided insulation and it's black color let it heat up by the 24h sun, and the battery packs themselves also produced heat.

= Bringing Stuff =

Flatearthers demanded that TFE bring all kind of stuff with them. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57HL7U621OI&t=1526s Listing stuff for TFE, <q>TFEhouse of Horror</q> by Rusted Sol]</ref>

== Sextant ==

They didn't bring a sextant to measure elevation angles, but Toon did measure the sun's elevation using a sextant app on his phone and by using the length of the shadows that were predicted before the trip.
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[[File:Toon_shadow_experiment.png|600px|link={{filepath:Toon_shadow_experiment.png}}]]

== Foucault's Pendulum ==

Using a Foucault's pendulum on the trip was simply not possible. For that they needed a large enough building, where the pendulum could swing undisturbed, which doesn't exist at Union Glacier. The best they had available was that small hut, which was too small, and people went in an out all the time.

= Additional Experiments =

A list of the experiments done during TFE can be found on Toon's site.
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/tfe-experiments/ <q>TFE experiments</q> by MCToon]</ref>

== Jason Laufenberg (Awake Souls) and Ron Harris (The Limitless Channel) ==

Jason and Ron made a video trying to debunk the additional experiments done during TFE.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/XzqbEp32c-E <q>SBVR Explains Every One of Duffy’s 12 “Experiments”: While SPACEBALL SHILLS McToon & FTFE Run & Hide</q> by Awake Souls]</ref>

First something really stupid. The map they are referring to in the description is a projection of the globe.

[[File:Awake_Souls_map.png|600px|link={{filepath:Awake_Souls_map.png}}]]

[[File:Awake_Souls_map_projection.png|600px|link={{filepath:Awake_Souls_map_projection.png}}]]
<ref>[https://youtu.be/r-lpPfXkU74?t=1954 32:34 Awake Souls Map projection, <q>THE FINAL DEBATE - The Biggest Debate in Flat Earth History!</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

The website he is using even tells him that.

<blockquote>
As discussed in my real country size mercator map, there aren’t any perfect map projections as you try to represent the 3-dimensional surface of a sphere on a 2-dimensional map. Each map projection has advantages and disadvantages.
</blockquote>
<ref>[https://engaging-data.com/country-centered-map-projections/ <q>Country Centered Map Projections</q> by Engaging Data]</ref>

=== Engines ===

Jason and Ron split their "debunks" in 3 main categories. In the first engine they are using Stellarium, SunCalc and MoonCalc, all of which use the globe, which they ignores.

[[File:AS_engine1_2.png|600px|link={{filepath:AS_engine1_2.png}}]]

[[File:AS_engine3.png|600px|link={{filepath:AS_engine3.png}}]]

Equatorial mounts only needs one rotational axis, not 2. The wobbling and Earth's orbit are so small that they are within the margin of error of the mount. A flat earth can't have an equatorial mount with just one axis. To no one's surprise they won't show how the mount works on a flat earth.

Dave McKeegan made a video explaining how the mount works.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/1q-fKKPNTLo <q>Equatorial Mounts WOULDN'T WORK on a Flat Earth</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

=== 24h sun ===

Jason and Ron think they predicted the 24h sun by using a model made by Andrew Marsh, which again uses the globe, and think it supports the flat earth, because it's displayed on a flat surface.
<ref>[https://andrewmarsh.com/software/sunpath3d-web/ <q>3D SUN-PATH</q> by Andrew Marsh]</ref>

[[File:Exp_sunpath3d.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Exp_sunpath3d.jpg}}]]

Andrew Marsh also made a model directly using the globe instead of projection it on a flat surface. Both versions use the globe and both predict a 24h sun in the North and the South 6 months apart.<ref>[https://andrewmarsh.com/software/web-earthsun/ <q>EARTH AND SUN</q> by Andrew Marsh]</ref>

[[File:Exp_earthsun.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Exp_earthsun.jpg}}]]

Ron complains that Will didn't go to the South Pole
<ref>[https://youtu.be/XzqbEp32c-E?t=1722 28:42 Ron complaining about Will not going to the South Pole, <q>SBVR Explains Every One of Duffy’s 12 “Experiments”: While SPACEBALL SHILLS McToon & FTFE Run & Hide</q> by Awake Souls]</ref>
, which is completely irrelevant, as the 24h sun isn't just visible at the South Pole.

[[File:24hsun_awake_souls.png|600px|link={{filepath:24hsun_awake_souls.png}}]]

The globe predicts the observation exactly as Toon showed with his shadow experiment. The SBVR model is literally just using the globe and they think it's a flat earth for some reason.

Jason is lying about the globe not having a model, while being fully aware that a model exists. Even if we assume that he is so stupid to not notice that the sun calculations by Andrew Marsh, that he used, are calculated using the globe, directly next to it was another version directly using the globe, also made by Andrew Marsh (see above). There is no way he isn't aware of that.

<blockquote>
'''Jason:''' Let's let's sort of dive into this being able to predict here because this is something that the the heliocentrists the space ballers can't do because they don't have any models.
</blockquote>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/XzqbEp32c-E?t=1790 29:50 Awake Souls claiming there is no globe model, <q>SBVR Explains Every One of Duffy’s 12 “Experiments”: While SPACEBALL SHILLS McToon & FTFE Run & Hide</q> by Awake Souls]</ref>

They seem to think that the sun moves through gates.

<blockquote>
'''Ron:''' Everyone can witness this and measure it themselves. It rises in the sixth. You can you can create six gates right on one side and then six gates reciprocally on the other side. And you can make a a tick on each side of the gates for each day that the sun rises and sets. And you'll be able to perfectly track the sun. And the book of Enoch completely explained this observation roughly 5,000 years ago, perfectly to the day where it was almost as if Enoch was sat down in front of this program and he was shown this is how the the luminaries uh work.
</blockquote>

=== 24h moon ===

The 24h moon has essentially the same explanation as the 24h sun. They start with asserting that it doesn't work on the globe, which as usual is a lie.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/XzqbEp32c-E?t=2679 44:39 24h moon SBVR, <q>SBVR Explains Every One of Duffy’s 12 “Experiments”: While SPACEBALL SHILLS McToon & FTFE Run & Hide</q> by Awake Souls]</ref>

[[File:24h_moon.png|600px|link={{filepath:24h_moon.png}}]]

=Videos=

MCToon's videos can be found on [https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22MCToon%22 archive.org] and [https://mctoon.net/tfe-original-videos/ on his website, linked to Dropbox]

Jeran's video are on [https://t.me/jerants Telegram]

== YouTube ==
[https://www.youtube.com/@The-Final-Experiment The Final Experiment (Will Duffy)]

[https://www.youtube.com/@DaveMcKeegan Dave McKeegan]

[https://www.youtube.com/@MCToon MCToon]

[https://www.youtube.com/@ConspiracyToonz Conspiracy Toonz]

[https://www.youtube.com/@jeranism Jeranism]

[https://www.youtube.com/@markjherman Mark Herman]

[https://www.youtube.com/@Jonathan_Mariande Jonathan Mariande]

[https://www.youtube.com/@Witsit Luggage (Austin Witsit)]

= See Also =
* [[Flerfs treating TFE as a threat]]

* Rational wiki also has a page about [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Final_Experiment The Final Experiment].

* So does [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Experiment_(expedition) Wikipedia]

= References =
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