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Dave Weiss

2026-06-01T14:15:36Z

Ttguy: /* Weiss-isms sun at night */

{{Infobox
| realName = David Weiss
| alias = DITRH, DIRTH, Flat Earth Dave, Potato, ShitHead, Leaky App Dave
| image = File:Dirth.jpg
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@DITRH YouTube]
| papa = N/A
| religiflerf = No. Non-practicing Jew
| antisemite = Yes, he is an Antisemitic Jew
| drinksUrine = He bathes in it
| teeth = distrusts dentists<ref>[https://youtu.be/4TMvWu0wVBQ?t=3201 53:21 Dave distrusting dentists, <q>"Flat-earth Dave" - The Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists</q> by If I'm Really Honest]</ref>
}}

'''David <q>Flat Earth Dave</q> Weiss''', also known by the acronym '''DITRH''' (Deep Inside The Rabbit Hole), often spelled '''DIRTH''', is a prominent figure in the flat Earth community. He operates multiple YouTube channels and has developed an app related to flat Earth theories.

= Known Accounts =
{| class="wikitable"
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@DITRH DITRH] || Active
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@DITRHDAVE DITRHDAVE] || Active
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@flatearthdave Flat Earth Dave Interviews] || Active
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@FlatEarthDavidWeiss Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2] || Active
|}

= Lies =
* Spreads the lie that American schools [[Flat earth taught in schools|once taught flat earth]]. In his efforts to spread this lie, Weiss has committed [[Wikipedia:Elder abuse|elder abuse]].
* Spreads the lie that [[Polaris in Southern Hemisphere|Polaris has been seen from the Southern Hemisphere]].
<ref>Feb 28, 2025 livestream titled "DIRTH & KIC Presents: Flat Earth Roundtable 2025," now privated. Reviewed on several glober livestreams like [https://www.youtube.com/live/U67BakLdDEA?t=4276 MCToon's Mar 6, 2025]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/9b3kSZnu4hw?t=2186 <q>DefiantAngelPrincess PODCAST w Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/orj2zr_9RMw?t=4524 <q>Special Edition Of World Edition. 4 GLOBE HEADS</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/ToEl-3856hQ?t=853 <q>Fayth Julius - Student Film - The Flat Earth Conspiracy- FULL INTERVIEW</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/_wq9HX2naHg?t=1588 <q>Koli and John form Fiji w Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/9cXN36XU4es?t=3054 <q>Half Empty Cup of Joe - Flat Earth Dave - December 2023</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/fFY_RLTJrps?t=2909 <q>TruthLab PODCAST with Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/E-2cVLQz-RA?t=3438 <q>THE LOFT PROJECT Episode 25 Dave Weiss DIRTH responds to David Chandler from AE 911 Truth</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/asfHhf1C2uY?t=2019 <q>Flat Earth Watertown NY w David Weiss</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/k4EuOVtEPzk?t=670 <q>147 - Under the Dough mmm</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/PLnSPtPan_s?t=1441 <q>Richie Allen Show Dec 14, 2022 Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/Q8HdfbM1AgM?t=3891 <q>Moral Bob Podcast - Flat Earth David Weiss</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/vayLQRoQlE4?t=3434 <q>#061 Making the case for a Flat Earth w Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/VGVrvdVSMQs?t=3185 <q>Off The Dome (GLOBER) with Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/XC9DovK63wU?t=1730 <q>2 Flat earthers & 3 Globies walk into a room. No Globies walk out,</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/oW6FmKszDWc?t=4366 <q>Lauren DeLaguna PODCAST with Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/JZx8SVnM1pc?t=3320 <q>Flat Earth Discussion - Witsit & Dave Weiss w/ Pr. James Fetzer</q> by Witsit Gets It]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/9AlFdk7TMf4?t=4004 <q>Tiana Khalid PODCAST w Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/JYo593wIYM4?t=2624 <q>Estonia AnCast Podcast w Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/tA5snyJZnd0?t=4593 <q>Owen Benjamin, Crrow777 & Flat Earth Dave - Why it matters!</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/by0tkYqKQBQ?t=7844 <q>High School Student wants to go into astronomy 1080WebShareName</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/l5xCHTdtgvY?t=4479 <q>Community Assembly Seminar UK with Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/trULigywjyM?t=2947 <q>Ken Wheeler discusses FLAT EARTH</q> by The Big Picture]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/1gyTiX1K4EE?t=2833 <q>Ken Wheeler Talks Flat Earth Reupload, Sound Fixed, Better Video</q> by flatty]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/jcPfZpV45fE?t=4930 <q>Dave Weiss & Spacebusters Bust the Ball</q> by Spacebusters]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/SDeSZDFyxfY?t=1862 <q>Tinfoil Hat w Eddie Bravo + Globehead + David Weiss</q> by DITRH DAVE]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/czjMMCS974E?t=3014 <q>Benjamin Balderson, Flat Earth Dave and company</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/i-ZcHot51Zc?t=3137 <q>You can't teach an old dog new Flat Earth tricks! - Pr. James Fetzer</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews 2]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/Ed6rxvQq2RM?t=2762 <q>The Matrix Minds w Flat Earth Dave</q> by Flat Earth Dave Interviews]</ref>

= Leaky App =
DIRTh's app is spectacularly insecure. It's been known to leak user email addresses, coordinates on the globe, and passwords in the clear since October 2024 and is still not fixed as of February 2026. <ref>[https://github.com/globesec/flatearthsun_public/blob/main/README.md <q>Findings of vulnerabilities in the "Flat Earth Clock" app</q> by Globsec-AU]</ref>

The app computes distances internally using the Haversine formula. See Image.
[[File:DIRTH_app_haversine.png|400px|thumb]]

=Bitcoin challenge=

Dave has a [https://flatearthdave.com/challenge fake bitcoin challenge] very every Globe proof is just rejected.

= Weiss-isms =
"Why don't we see any land when we're looking down at the ocean?”
<ref>[https://youtube.com/shorts/OU5A4cvSitw?si=oNcfgrRAlexTXZ4K <q>You Think That's A PERSON?!?!</q> by FTFE]</ref>

“West is where you are, south is everywhere else.”

About April 8, 2024 Total Solar Eclipse:
“Whatever it is that is blocking the sun isn’t in front of it, it’s behind it”

“If [[Flerfraction|refraction]] were real, somebody should be able to walk down a city block and take a right-hand turn, and if they went far enough, they should refract back out so you could see them on the same avenue”
<ref>[https://youtu.be/U67BakLdDEA?t=4414 1:13:34, <q>Flat Earth Funereal Service</q> by MCToon Live]</ref>

"All your listeners can see it"
<ref>[https://youtu.be/FWRpBiqtAEg?t=2939 <q>Dave Weiss Can Only Fool Ignorant People</q> by Conspiracy Toonz]</ref>

"Spectroscopy needs to be in a container"; an assertion he made while [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-7vs0BkLE&t=267s debating Professor Dave].

"How come the sun never shows up at night?"[https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxqfMHucHhlRqMOidC5uOn-jq63Xdicv9J?si=r_G94dNios_toUAm Toon show]

"How do you dilute God? You pour them into infinite expanding space when the truth is we're here."<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QNxPflGNxc 1:59:51 Diluting God, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

"FEAR: False Evidence Appearing Real."<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QNxPflGNxc&t=6030s <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo the Original</ref>

== Chinese are aliens ==
<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' I mean, not human. What does that mean? I mean, basically at this point, you know, you've heard, you know, like the Ike family talks about reptilians and stuff. The evidence is becoming undeniable, right? We have to laugh at that stuff. There there is some weird stuff going on. Again, we're in a spiritual war. There is a lot of stuff going on here that we are unaware of. You know, like Chinese people could be an alien race. They look different than us. They're humanoids, right?
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=7074 1:57:54 Dave saying Chinese people are aliens, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

==NASA is in charge of international flights==

[[File:Nasa_international_flights.png|600px|link={{filepath:Nasa_international_flights.png}}]]
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwWkHzi78A <q>Flat Earth Dave Tried Defending the Gleason Map… It Got Worse</q> by The Debunker]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDHM3dikcO8 <q>Flat Earth Map DESTROYED by Real Flights Anyone Can Book</q> by The Debunker]</ref>

NASA has nothing to do with flights. International flights are handled by the [https://www.icao.int/ ICAO].

= Antisemitism =
David Weiss is a Jew who had a Bar Mitzvah. On May 21, 2025, he hosted a Zoom call where about 80 Rabbis and devout Jews were invited. Dave brought [[Austin Witsit | Austin Whitsitt]], a Holocaust denier and antisemite, to the call. During the call, one of the participants asked Dave if he would denounce antisemitism. He refused.

In the email thread after the show, Dave requested to be removed from the email thread, but before he left, he was specifically asked to denounce Holocaust denial or antisemitism:

<blockquote>David Weiss, do you denounce Antisemitism?
A simple “yes” will do.
Or any other response including no response is clearly “no”.</blockquote>

He refused to answer, making his position clear.

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=DITRH Derp=

==Knowledge about the model==

DITRH claims that people on the globe side are not qualified to talk about the globe for not knowing all the Trivia. So let's make a table about what we know about the globe and what Dave knows about flat earth, to see if he is qualified to talk about flat earth.<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=79 1:19, Dave talking about how he knows more about the globe, than globers, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

{| class="wikitable"
! Question !! Globe !! Flat earth
|-
| Radius of Earth || 6371.0 km || Unknown
|-
| How thick is earth || 12,742 km || At least 12 km
|-
| How fast is it spinning at the equator || Once a day || Not applicable
|-
| How fast does the sun move around earth || Not applicable || Unknown
|-
| Distance between sun and earth || About 151 million km || Somewhere between "it's in the clouds" and a few thousand km.
|-
| What do we observe in the sky || Planets, stars, moons, asteroids || Dave: <q>The only thing that we can say about the sky is that anything that we see in the sky is that they're lights.</q>
|-
| What is the sun/star || Britannica: <q>Any massive self-luminous celestial body of gas that shines by radiation derived from its internal energy sources.</q><ref>[https://www.britannica.com/science/star-astronomy <q>star</q> by Britannica]</ref> || Dave: <q>I don't believe that the sun and the moon that we see are physical. I believe there is a physical sun and moon, but I think it's more of a projection into our what I call our sky screen.</q><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=2174 36:14 Dave not knowing what the sun and moon are, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

Dave:<q> Stars are not distant fusion balls. They are local self- luminous plasma nodes. Electrical discharge points embedded in the firmament's plasma shell at approximately 100 to 150 km altitude.</q><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-i1okrW2sg <q>WHAT ARE STARS? FLAT EARTH</q> by DITRH]</ref>
|-
| What is the moon || Britannica: <q>Moon, Earth’s sole natural satellite and nearest large celestial body.</q><ref>[https://www.britannica.com/place/Moon <q>Moon</q> by Britannica]</ref> || Dave: <q>I think it's a plasma.</q><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=2625 43:45 Dave claiming the moon is plasma, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>
|-
| What causes a lunar eclipse || Earth moves in between the moon and the sun || Dave: <q>Then there's something either eclipsing the moon. It could be another dark body. Or maybe it's not a shadow at all. Maybe the moon is just powering down. A full moon is a light.</q><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=3410 56:50 Dave attempting to explain a lunar eclipse, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>
|-
| What causes a solar eclipse || The moon moves in between the earth and the sun || The sun produces less light(?)<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=3051 50:51 Dave attempting to explain a solar eclipse, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

A body possibly the moon is blocking the sun(?)
<ref name="solar_eclipse_derp">[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=3457 57:37 Dave saying the moon can't be seen during solar eclipse, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

|-
| Why are there two celestial poles || Earth is a rotating sphere so that's expected || Dave: <q>The south you get that's if you're on a ball, but there is no south pole. The question is what's going on in the sky? I personally think that the inner northern stars from the equator in are the real stars and then they are reflected out into the dome. So you get counterrotating stars.</q><ref name="south_celestial_pole">[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=7369 2:02:49 Dave talking about the southern stars, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>
|}

According to his own standard he is not qualified to talk about earth's shape.

==Chicago Skyline==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' They don't talk about, hey, across Lake Michigan, I can see Chicago 57 miles away.

'''[[Apollo The Original]]:''' Mhm.

'''Dave:''' Right. And I can't see the very very bottom of the lowest buildings, but I can see the rest. Well, the top of the tallest building should be a couple hundred feet below the curve, but we can see the whole city.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=172 2:52 Dave talking about Chicago being visible, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

Dark Star analysed the photo and showed there is a lot more missing than just the bottom of the lowest buildings.<ref>[https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/07/chicago-skyline-looming-from-mi.html <q>Chicago skyline 'looming' from MI - explained </q> by Dark Star]</ref>

[[File:Chicago_skyline.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Chicago_skyline.jpg}}]]

==The radius has been debunked==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' The radius the line from the center of the earth to the surface. It's three, nine, five, nine, 3,959 miles. That's been debunked because the radius tells us the circumference. The radius tells us how much curvature there is over a certain distance. And we can see things far beyond that physical limitation of a globe. So the radius has been debunked. What does that mean? That means that all of the planetary distances, the moon, the sizes, that's been debunked. Space travel has been debunked. Our solar system's been debunked. Everything has been debunked when the radius is debunked. The Earth is flat and it's provably so.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=208 3:28 Dave claiming the radius of earth has been debunked, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

As the previous example already showed, he ignores the atmosphere.

==Antarctica==

===Mountains and dome===

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' There's mountains in Antarctica. They call them uh there I mean the names of the mountains are very weird. But um there's supposedly mountains there higher than Everest, but they don't tell us about that.

'''Apollo The Original:''' Then How do you know that?

'''Dave:''' Well, this is information that we have from some explorers from from old encyclopedias. The encyclopedia from 1958 says at 80 degree 80 or 85 degrees I forget 80 degrees 80 degrees south which is way south farther than any one is allowed to go and and independently they say that there's a domed ceiling at 13,000 ft.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=416 6:56 Dave talking about mountains and a dome in Antarctica, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

The highest peak in Antarctica is the Vinson Massif at a height of 4,892 m (16,050 ft), which is significantly smaller than Mount Everest.

The encyclopedia American does talk about a dome, but in this context it's a geological structure.<ref>[https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2017/05/1958-encyclopedia-americana-quote.html <q>1958 Encyclopedia Americana quote "Antarctic DOME 13,000 feet high" / Admiral Byrd quote </q> by Dark Star]</ref> It should be obvious to anyone that no one would measure the height of a dome near its edge, but always at its highest point.

[[File:Dome.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Dome.jpg}}]]

[[Apollo The Original]] even checks it himself with Dave present.<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=481 8:01 Apollo The Original testing Dave's claim about the dome, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

The dome in question is called Dome Argus. Here is a photo taken by George Rayner.

[[File:Dome_argus.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Dome_argus.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://wanderingvertexes.blogspot.com/2016/08/dome-argus-first-photographed-by-george.html <q>DOME ARGUS FIRST PHOTOGRAPHED BY GEORGE RAYNER</q> by Francis Rousseau]</ref>

===Antarctic Treaty===

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' Um what's out there? There's no free and independent exploration. All the countries in the world that are waring with each other, they all agree nobody can go to Antarctica. And that's a fact. No. Well, you can't go.

They'll say, "Yes, you can. You can buy a trip. All these people go. Thousands of people go."

Not thousands. You know, some people go every year, but um they only take you to the very tip of Antarctica. the very,
you know, that little spit that comes out near South America. They take you to a little island there. Um, and that that's all they let you uh see. They only take you to um I can share this with you. Let me let me just let me do that. So, I'm going to show you the bases. So, they only take
you there. There's two little islands that they take you to. And one of them is called Deception Island, and the other one's called, I believe it's Rothschild Island.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=645 10:45 Dave lying about the Antarctic Treaty, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

First, the Antarctic Treaty literally tells people that it encourages freedom of scientific exploration and studies.<ref>[https://www.ats.aq/e/antarctictreaty.html <q>The Antarctic Treaty</q>]</ref> Second, [[The Final Experiment]] showed that you can book a trip inland.

====Mining====

[[File:Antarctica_mining.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Antarctica_mining.jpg}}]]

According to the Antarctic Treaty mining is not allowed.

<blockquote>
Through the Environment Protocol the Contracting Parties “commit themselves to the comprehensive protection of the Antarctic environment and dependent and associated ecosystems and … designate Antarctica as a natural reserve, devoted to peace and science”. The Protocol prohibits all activities relating to Antarctic mineral resources, except for scientific research.
</blockquote><ref>[https://www.ats.aq/e/environmental.html <q>Environmental Protection</q> by Secretariat of the Antarctic Treaty]</ref>

So Dave claims that exploration, which is allowed by the treaty, is forbidden, and mining, which is forbidden by the treaty, is allowed.

===TFE===

<blockquote>
'''Apollo The Original:''' Okay, let's go. Uh, Antarctica. Okay, so you've never been to Antarctica?

'''Dave:''' No, I was invited to go a free trip. Um, but it was based on a false premise by some very evil um not honest people. And I said, I'm not interested. Right?
Because they were going to there there was a big deception there back in 2024 where they took some um people. It was supposed to designed for me because I was been waking up too many people with my app with uh you know with all the interviews I'm doing and they wanted to take me down. But I immediately I have a very good sense um of evil. I just met you.

'''Apollo The Original:''' Yes, sir.

'''Dave:''' I can tell you're a good guy. I can tell before you open your mouth. Right. I I can tell. I got an email and I felt literally demonic forces. Right. And it was like we're doing this experiment. I'm like what's the experiment? You're looking at the sun. like, "Wait, what?" And then uh a second email and I replied back, "I don't deal with demons. Don't ever contact me again." And uh and it turned into a whole ordeal. But they ended up taking down the the biggest anti-flatearh paid agents to Antarctica, and they were the first ones ever to film a 24-hour sun down there. No institution, no ex no explorers, nobody. But these guys filmed it for the first time. It's crazy.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=1550 25:50 Dave lying about TFE, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

TFE was not designed for Dave. He just got the most votes to be taken to Antarctica.

Furthermore the 24h sun had been filmed multiple times before TFE. For example Anthony Powell has multiple videos filming the 24h sun years before TFE.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZa9oZDN5g <q>Frozen South: Antarctica 24 hour Sun 4K</q> by Anthony Powell]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZ7Jel62js <q>Antarctica 24hr Sunlight VR 8K</q> by Anthony Powell]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3IbYcELDw <q>Antarctica 24-hour Sunlight Timelapse VR</q> by Anthony Powell]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/1kjnj_34YaM?t=1115 <q>THE FINAL EXPERIMENTS - 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica</q> by The Final Experiment]</ref>

If Dave actually could feel what he calls evil forces, he would not have joined the Conspira-cast podcast.<ref name="fakePodcast">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIW8xKx2Bho <q>Conspira-cast Episode 2: Is the Earth Flat? With Special Guest Dave Weiss</q> by The Conspira-cast]</ref>

After TFE he changed his stance from the 24h sun proves that earth can't be flat:

<blockquote>
'''Dave before TFE:''' One of the arguments that people give is on a flat Earth you can't have a 24-hour Sun a midnight sun in Antarctica and I totally agree, but there is no Midnight Sun in Antarctica.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/CDffWeaI9k8?t=363 6:03 Dave admitting that the 24h sun in Antarctica doesn't work on a flat earth, <q>The Final Experiment - The Experiment (5 of 6)</q>]</ref>

To, it proves nothing:

<blockquote>
'''Dave after TFE:''' Is it going to prove the shape of the earth to see the 24hour sun? But what does that prove that? So, if you think that the 24-hour sun in Antarctica proves the shape of the Earth, you now have to prove first that the Earth is a ball, well, the radius has been falsified. Two, you have to prove that gas violates uh natural law that it can exist in a vacuum, right?
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=1644 27:24 Dave saying that the 24h sun does not prove earth's shape, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

===More land beyond the pole===

Dave thinks that land the size of the United States beyond the South Pole would be near Africa on the globe.<ref>[https://youtu.be/JWJ7fYbXT5U?t=2285 38:05 More land beyond the pole, <q>Flat Earth Dave Exposes NASA, the Globe Psyop, and the Truth They're Hiding in Antarctica - Ep. 198</q> by Jake Shields' Fight Back Podcast]</ref>

In reality Antarctica is larger than the USA. Dave McKeegan explains it thoroughly.<ref>[https://youtu.be/p0dXZvS_NNM <q>Flat Earther doesn't know where the South Pole is</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

[[File:Admiral-byrd.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Admiral-byrd.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/admiral-byrd <q>Admiral Byrd: “An Area As Big As The United States on the Other Side of the South Pole”</q> by flatearth.ws]</ref>

==Population==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' You could take the population of the world and everybody can live in Texas and half of Texas would be empty, right? So, it's incredible how much space and that's with the number they give us 8 billion people. I think there's two billion people maybe.

'''Apollo The Original:''' So, they say that uh population of China's population.

'''Dave:''' Yeah. So, that that's this is good.

'''Apollo The Original:''' So, I did this exercise a couple of years ago.

'''Dave:''' Yeah. But while you're looking that up,

'''Apollo The Original:''' 1.4 Mhm.

'''Dave:''' 1.4 billion. Yes. Right. So they went from um well they went from 500 million to 1.25 billion in I think it was 20 years something like that. So that would require every couple to have five children. This happened during their one child rule.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=1325 22:05 Dave talking about China's population, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

China's population went from about 500 million to about 1.4 billion in around 60 years, 3 times longer than Dave claims.<ref>[https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/ <q>China Population</q> by worldometer]</ref>

As evidence they use the population of the 50 largest cities in China, which sum up to about 337 million people.<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=1470 22:05 Dave using China's 50 largest cities, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

The 50 largest cities of China are along the coast. So he is essentially ignoring most of the country.

[[File:China_Population_Density_Map_2020.png|600px|link={{filepath:China_Population_Density_Map_2020.png}}]]<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China <q>Demographics of China</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

==Seasons==

DITRH explains how seasons are supposed to work, completely ignoring South of the equator.<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=1714 28:34 Dave explaining seasons, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

Below is a selection of how the the illuminated part of earth would like on Dave's flat earth model, animated by Jos Leys.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5q7rsiFlc8 <q>The Final Experiment: Sun over flat Earth</q> by Jos Leys]</ref>

Petey194 also made an animation explaining how the day light is projected from the globe to the AE map.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lka1C3SC7N8 <q>Why Day and Night on Flat Earth Looks So Strange | Dave Weiss</q> by Petey194]</ref>

[[File:Equinox.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Equinox.jpg}}]]

[[File:June_solstice.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:June_solstice.jpg}}]]

[[File:December_solstice.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:December_solstice.jpg}}]]

As most people can see, the light pattern makes no sense. Light would need to behave very differently depending on the location of the sun over a flat earth.

If we take for example the December solstice and add the directions where the sun is observed for different locations. Animation done by Jos Leys.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8sLJZ3XaY <q>Winter solstice one-minute debunk.</q> by Jos Leys]</ref>

[[File:December_solstice_sun_flat_earth.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:December_solstice_sun_flat_earth.jpg}}]]

On the flat earth, the sun would be all over the place. On the globe on the other hand, the sun is larger than earth and in just one location.

[[File:December_solstice_sun_globe.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:December_solstice_sun_globe.jpg}}]]

Flatearthers always use the straw man that seasons are caused by the distance to the sun on the globe. That's not true. It's the angle to the sun that causes the seasons. That's why we can have winter in the north, when earth is actually closest to the sun.

==Moon==
===Cold moonlight===

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' So but the moon is clearly a light in the sky and and you can actually measure moonlight um that it it um is cold. The moonlight is cold.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=2414 40:14 Dave claiming the moonlight is cold, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

MCToon demonstrated that the moonlight is not cold.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqTrgqK6gM <q>Live Experiment: Cold Moonlight</q> by MCToon]</ref> In fact, cold light is physically impossible. Light transports energy, and energy transfers heat. To cool something down, you need to remove energy.

===Moon brightness===

Dave claims that you should be blinded when near the moon.

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' So, RMS 2, when they flew right next to the moon, it would be super bright. It it should be it should be the we did the math. When you're 100 miles from the moon, the moon should appear brighter than we see the sun from Earth. Impossible to watch it.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=2538 42:18 Dave lying about the moon's brightness, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

He completely ignores that when you get closer to the moon, you also see less of its surface area. Furthermore, earth is significantly brighter than the moon, as it's more reflective than the moon, especially on the ocean and ice. Yet somehow that's not a problem. Dave McKeegan made a video explaining it.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm5L536n1us <q>Inverse Square Law disproves Moon landings?</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>

===Moon during solar eclipse===

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' I just showed you the solar eclipse is the a body. I think it's the moon. It could be another body. It could be a node of some sort blocking the projector. So, we see the eclipse. No one has ever from anywhere from the International Fake Station, telescopes, infrared ever seen the moon eclipse the sun. Now, people say, the globers will say, "Oh, the the sun's so bright you can't see the moon right next to it." Cool story. But what about when the sun the moon completely eclipses the sun?
</blockquote><ref name="solar_eclipse_derp"/>

The moon can be seen during a solar eclipse.

[[File:Solar eclipse moon.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Solar eclipse moon.jpg}}]]<ref>[https://www.astrofoto.ro/wp/?p=964 <q>An Indonesian eclipse</q> by astrofoto]</ref>

==Earth motion==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' But we're spinning at 1,000 mph. We're orbiting at 66,000 mph. We're traveling sideways at a half a million miles hour. And that entire system's moving millions of miles an hour in a fourth direction. But you don't feel it.

'''Apollo The Original:''' For billions of years.

'''Dave:''' For billions of years, but nothing ever the sky ever changes.
</blockquote><ref name="earth_motion">[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=3614 1:00:14 Dave not understanding earth's motion, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

We don't feel speed, only acceleration. Earth's rotation only creates an acceleration of about 0.03 m/s^2 at the equator. That results in objects at the equator being slightly lighter than at the poles, as Critical Think measured.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3lNv2-2JPM <q>The Final Experiments - Weight Variation Experiment</q> by Critical Think]</ref> The other motions result in even smaller accelerations, so those are even more difficult to notice or measure.

==Star motion==
According to Dave nothing in the sky ever changes.<ref name="earth_motion"/>

That's of course a lie, as this animation of observations of the Barnard's star shows.

[[File:Barnard2005.gif|500px|link={{filepath:Barnard2005.gif}}]]<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star <q>Barnard's Star</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

Furthermore you can also check [https://www.thenauticalalmanac.com/ nautical almanacs], showing the position of stars changing over the years.

==Time Zones==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' How many time zones are there? On a globe, there should be 24 lines from the North Pole to the South Pole equal like sections of an orange. Right.

'''Apollo The original:''' Correct.

'''Dave:''' Right. There's 19 time zones in the north, 24 tropics, and 32 in the South officially.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=3714 1:01:54 Dave talking about time zones, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

There are 24 standard time zones and some with a 30 minute offset in between. Time zones are mostly political, so they don't really mean anything. China for example only has 1 time zone even though it's large enough to cover 3. Furthermore there are more [[Time_Zones]] in the North than in the South.

[[File:World_Time_Zones_Map.png|600px|link={{filepath:World_Time_Zones_Map.png}}]]<ref>[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png <q>World Time Zone Map</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

==99% of the world population see the sun==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' Um, this is directly from the Weather Channel. This is the day they say that 99% of the Earth's population is in daylight at the same time. Wait a minute. That's not really a fair statement because the areas that aren't lit up, there's very few people. Um, but it's over 70% of the Earth is lit. That can't happen on a single source light. It can't happen at all.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=3884 1:04:44 Dave talking about 99% of world population in daylight, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

The figure is a bit misleading as it also includes people in twilight. The claim that 70% of earth is illuminated is simply a lie as Bob the Science Guy shows.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetLcBCYaD4 <q>How does 99% of the Population See Sunlight?</q> by Bob the Science Guy]</ref> Snowwie used a physical globe model to show how it works.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgrmOqxNu4o <q>99% People Can See Daylight on the 8th July - Simple Home Test</q> by Snowwie]</ref>

Furthermore, Dave is ignoring that it doesn't work on a flat earth.

==Sunsets==

According to Dave the sun fades out when setting.<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=4368 1:12:48 Sun fading out, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

In certain conditions the sun can look like it's fading away, but most of the time, especially when using solar filters, the sun sets and disappears bottom first.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVRHXHHO_Y <q>Sun Fade Out, really?</q> by Arctic Reflection]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mncU3LAmu2M <q>Broome Sunset confirms why Sun size analysis without a Solar filter is pointless</q> by Wolfie6020]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFTWGdR8SiU <q>Another Sunset with and without the Solar Filter - (Clearer skies today)</q> by Wolfie6020]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuV3roqT7j0 <q>Flat Earth - P900 Maximum zoom does not change the time of Sunset</q> by Wolfie6020]</ref>

There are some major problems with he flat earth sunset.
# The sun is not in the position the flat earth predicts, especially south of the equator.
# The distance to the sun changes dramatically depending on the season and location on earth.
# The stars are dimmer and further away, even on a flat earth. Yet they can still be seen, at a time when the sun supposedly is not bright enough to shine through the atmosphere.

==Why are "they" lying==

<blockquote>
'''Apollo''': The question is why—why are [[Them | They]] doing it?

'''Dave''': Why they're—why are [[Them | They]] lying?

'''Apollo''': Why they're lying about the globe?

'''Dave''': Because [[Them | They]] can't control a population that—I don't want to say has faith in God—that knows there's a God. [[Them | They]] can't afford—[[Them | They]] can't, [[Them | They]] can't control a population that's not in fear...
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=6004 1:40:04 Dave explaining why they lie, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

Most people who believe in a God accept the globe. Furthermore, God is used to rule in fear. The concept of eternal torture in hell is an example, of how fear is used to keep people in a religion.

===Alien invasion===

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' They they're they're literally, you know, in my opinion, they're going to try a fake alien invasion and all the Gors are going to stop. They're like, "Hey, let's all get together and work against these aliens. Everyone's going to be like, "Oh my god, world peace. This is great. One world government, one world religion, they've done it. Problem, reaction, solution.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=6040 1:40:40 Alien invasion, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

The only people thinking that aliens are going to invade are conspiracy nuts.

===Free energy===

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' There is infinite abundance on this earth. But they tell us the opposite. Everything they tell us, overpopulation, running out of fuel, you know, all of that's [ __ ] They're hiding free energy.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=6120 1:42:00 Free energy, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

There is no such thing as free energy. Even if we talk about energy that in itself doesn't cost money, e.g. solar energy, you still need to pay to convert that energy in something usable, e.g. electricity, and distribute it.

===Globe denies God===

Dave claims that the globe means that God doesn't exist and then strawmans evolution, which has nothing to do with earth's shape.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=6784 1:53:04 Dave lying about evolution, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

If God exists he could easily have created the entire universe, instead of the little snow globe flatearthers believe in. He could just use evolution to create the various lifeforms on the planet. Otherwise he would need to fake a lot of evidence for evolution and earth's shape.

==Different stars in the south==

<blockquote>
'''Apollo The Original:''' Great question. If the earth is flat, how come on the south pole we see one set of stars and another set of stars on the north?

'''Dave:''' You don't see anything underneath the flat earth. You see stars rotating from east to west. They go in the same direction. People say they they rotate in opposite directions in the north and the south. It's not true. It's not true at all. No matter where you are in the world, when you face north, they go counterclockwise. No matter where you are in the world, when you face south, they go clockwise.

'''Apollo The Original:''' But there is no north on flat earth.

'''Dave:''' Yes, there is. It's on the center. The north is the center.

'''Apollo The Original:''' But it's not north.

'''Dave:''' Yes, it is. So, at the center of the Earth, there's the black rock. That's an interesting name. And it's a magnetic area. So, if you and I went to the North Pole, let's pretend there's a pole there. And we both have our backs to the pole. We're facing opposite direction.

'''Apollo The Original:''' The North?

'''Dave:''' The North Pole underneath Polaris.

'''Apollo The original:''' Okay.

'''Dave:''' The pole star Polaris. Right. Right. And so, we're there. We're facing in opposite directions. If we got our back to the north, what's the opposite of north?

'''Apollo The Original:''' South.

'''Dave:''' Right? So, if we both started walking like that, we're both going south.

'''Apollo The Original:''' Correct.

'''Dave:''' If we were on the sides, south. South. South is every direction away from north.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=7280 2:01:20 Dave talking about the poles, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

Noticed when asked the question how there are different stars in the south than in the north, Dave immediately straw-manned the question? He did not address how there are different stars, he just talks about they should move in different directions over a flat earth.

The globe expects two celestial poles, with different rotations. The flat earth can't have a second celestial pole, as all the stars are supposed to move around Polaris.

[[File:Celestial_poles.png|400px|link={{filepath:Celestial_poles.png}}]]

Furthermore he talked about a black rock for which he does not provide any evidence.

Professor Dave made a nice video showing how the stars can't work on a flat earth. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-fmoZUkF8 <q>Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science - Part 2: The Stars</q> by Professor Dave Explains]</ref>

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' The south you get that's if you're on a ball, but there is no south pole. The question is what's going on in the sky? I personally think that the inner northern stars from the equator in are the real stars and then they are reflected out into the dome. So you get counterrotating stars.
</blockquote><ref name="south_celestial_pole"/>

The problem with that explanation is that there are different stars in the south than in the north.

==North Pole==

<blockquote>
'''Apollo The Original:''' You said there is a black rock in the center of the North.

'''Dave:''' It's called the the Rupus Negra. The black rock.

'''Apollo The Original:''' What do you think is really in the center of the earth?

'''Dave:''' Great question. I don't know. No one's allowed to go there.

'''Apollo The Original:''' You can't go there?

'''Dave:''' It's too cold. It's too harsh weather. You You're going to die for you.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/-QNxPflGNxc?t=7506 2:05:06 Black rock, <q>David Weiss PROVES What's Beyond The Ice Wall</q> by Apollo The Original]</ref>

No evidence of that black rock existing. Of course you can go to the north pole. Unlike Antarctica, there isn't even a treaty for Dave to lie about.

==Flight Route==

Dave showed a flight route between New Zealand and Argentina, most likely by an American airline. Airlines are required to have their home country as a stop for their flight routes. A direct flight between New Zealand and Argentina can only be done with an airline form Argentina or New Zealand.

[[File:Flat_earth_flight_route_new_zealand_argentina.png|500px|link={{filepath:Flat_earth_flight_route_new_zealand_argentina.png}}]]

There are direct flights between Sydney and Santiago for example. Critical Think took that flight during [[The Final Experiment]].
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kiOQiRh8gA <q>QF28 Santiago-Sydney Timelapse 22-Dec-2024</q> by Critical Think]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0L8AlV_oBE <q>Flights between Sydney and Santiago only work on the GLOBE!</q> by Critical Think]</ref>

==Fisheye lenses==

Dave claims that all the footage taken from high altitudes use fisheye lenses
<ref>[https://youtu.be/JWJ7fYbXT5U?t=609 10:09 Dave and the fisheye lense, <q>Flat Earth Dave Exposes NASA, the Globe Psyop, and the Truth They're Hiding in Antarctica - Ep. 198</q> by Jake Shields' Fight Back Podcast]</ref>
, while he is using footage from GoPros as evidence for flat earth.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPaABum5rmM <q>Earth is Flat and it matters</q> by DITRH]</ref>

Furthermore he only shows short clips of the footage to pretend that it's not a wide angle lens. Comparing it to the full video shows how much he lies. For example the DogCam footage shows earth's curvature.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwimocU0IIc <q>DogCamSport flies to the edge of space 110,000ft on a balloon!</q> by dogcamsport]</ref>
The image has increased contrast and a line to make the curvature more visible.

[[File:Dogcam_curve.png|600px|link={{filepath:Dogcam_curve.png}}]]

==Space Flight==

===Service module nozzles===

Dave intentionally lies about the service module nozzle by using a low quality video.<ref>[https://youtu.be/qpCXiPF-gQo?t=92 1:32 Waffle cones, <q>Artemis first photo of earth!</q> by DITRH]</ref>

[[File:Waffle_cones.png|600px|link={{filepath:Waffle_cones.png}}]]

A higher quality video shows the nozzles more clearly.<ref>[https://www.nasa.gov/video-detail/cmasaw1-20260402015754-3/ <q>Artemis II Upper Stage Separation</q> by NASA]</ref>

[[File:Nozzles.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Nozzles.jpg}}]]

To see how large the nozzles actually are, here is a photo from the installation process.<ref>[https://www.flickr.com/photos/esa_events/52674105232/in/photostream/ <q>Artemis II European Service Module</q> by NASA flickr]</ref>

[[File:Nozzle_installation.jpg|600px|link={{filepath:Nozzle_installation.jpg}}]]

===Astronaut Balloon===

Dave thinks that space suits should expand like balloons.

[[File:Space_suit_balloon.png|600px|link={{filepath:Space_suit_balloon.png}}]]
<ref>[https://youtu.be/uFhoZ5x2xWg <q>Space suits in fake space - Flat Earth</q> by DITRH]</ref>

Space suits are more similar to tires than balloons, so they won't expand much.

===Mars photo===

Dave is circulating a meme claiming that [[Mars photos|NASA is faking photos from Mars]].
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/flat-earth-lies-mars-photos/ <q>Flat Earth Lies: Mars Photos</q> by MCToon]</ref>
It's a photo of the Burren in Ireland that someone photo shopped to look like it's on Mars. Dave doesn't even get the location correct. He says it's Devon Island or Canada or Greenland depending on his mood.

[[File:Mars_greenland.webp|600px|link={{filepath:Mars_greenland.webp}}]]

==Faking earth==

Dave made a video where he generated a bunch of earth images using ChatGPT
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpCXiPF-gQo <q>Artemis first photo of earth!</q> by DITRH]</ref>
and claims that NASA are the ones lying.

==Horizon==

Dave thinks that you can only have either earth's curvature or atmospheric effects.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/JWJ7fYbXT5U?t=1352 22:32 Dave talking about the horizon, <q>Flat Earth Dave Exposes NASA, the Globe Psyop, and the Truth They're Hiding in Antarctica - Ep. 198</q> by Jake Shields Fight Back Podcast]</ref>
Somehow virtually every flatearther has trouble understanding that refraction in the atmosphere makes objects appear higher most of time, which results in you being able to see farther than through geometry alone. Then they use very rare and unstable refraction to explain why objects appear lower than they are to explain observations of boats disappearing bottom first.

[[File:Bottom_up.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Bottom_up.webp}}]]

Mr. Sensible has a nice little refraction experiment showing that you can see something blocked by curvature by using a lens.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndnQhcQaZro <q>Horizon and refraction Experiment</q> by Mr Sensible Historic]</ref>

Dave even shows himself that moving an object further away on a flat surface, will not change how much of it is obstructed.
<ref>[https://youtu.be/aJNQD-QUvXA <q>It's ALL Perspective on a FLat Earth. (Music level fixed)</q> by DITRH]</ref>

[[File:Horizon_close.png|400px|link={{filepath:Horizon_close.png}}]]

[[File:Horizon_far.png|400px|link={{filepath:Horizon_far.png}}]]

==Being sued for teaching globe==

<blockquote>
'''Dave:''' I just read you um uh there's a newspaper article from 1900. It was April 1900 even in England. A teacher was being sued for teaching the heretical science that the earth is a globe.
</blockquote><ref>[https://youtu.be/JWJ7fYbXT5U?t=2034 33:54 Dave talking about a teacher being sued for teaching the globe, <q>Flat Earth Dave Exposes NASA, the Globe Psyop, and the Truth They're Hiding in Antarctica - Ep. 198</q> by Jake Shields Fight Back Podcast]</ref>

No one was ever sued for teaching the globe. Apparently there was a flatearther who tried but it didn't go anywhere, and newspapers made fun of the situation.
<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/ebenezer-gorst <q>Frivolous Legal Threat From Ebenezer Breach Against Sir John Gorst</q> by flatearth.ws]</ref>

=Proof Cards=

Dave has a bunch of proof cards.
<ref>[https://flatearthdave.com/proof-cards <q>Flat earth proof cards</q> by DITRH]</ref>

The paywall can easily be bypassed by using the number of the card in the URL. e.g. https://flatearthdave.com/proof-cards/7.webp

==1 Info==

[[File:Card_1.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_1.webp}}]]

==2 Rocket propulsion==

[[File:Card_2.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_2.webp}}]]

Rockets easily work in a vacuum. "How Stuff Works" explains it well.
<ref>[https://science.howstuffworks.com/rocket.htm?s1sid=1h2ef4rtdy5k7z3uftiuxpe8&srch_tag=stvogbqyyzml4cvajc4yu766kugsv4vv <q>How Rocket Engines Work</q> by Marshall Brain]</ref>
It's an application of Newton's laws of motion, not a violation.

==3 Three body problem==

[[File:Card_3.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_3.webp}}]]

There is no closed form solution for the three-body problem, that doesn't mean we can't calculate it.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkP7dmpHm_c <q>Why the Three-Body Problem is Unsolvable*</q> by Kyle Hill]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et7XvBenEo8 <q>Solving the Three Body Problem</q> by PBS Space Time]</ref>
Also, the mere existence of the Three-Body Problem, means that Earth is a planet, the solar system exists, and gravity is real.

==4 Abyssal Plains==

[[File:Card_4.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_4.webp}}]]

Just like all long distance earth's measurements, the abyssal plains are curved.

==5 and 34 Earth rotation==

[[File:Card_5.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_5.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_34.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_34.webp}}]]

Accelerometers can measure earth's rotation, which results in lower accelerations at the equator than at the poles. Critical Think did an experiment to demonstrate that weights change depending on your location on earth.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLeCsZZvTc <q>The Final Experiment Preparation - Test Run #1</q> by Critical Think]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZS0tSfWzrI <q>The Final Experiment Preparation - Test Run #2</q> by Critical Think]</ref>
<ref>[https://youtu.be/y3lNv2-2JPM <q>The Final Experiments - Weight Variation Experiment</q> by Critical Think]</ref>

==6 Airy's failure==

[[File:Card_6.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_6.webp}}]]

Airy's failure like the Michelson-Moorley experiments did not contradict earth's motion, they disproved the existence of ether.

==7 and 18 Level flight==

[[File:Card_7.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_7.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_18.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_18.webp}}]]

On the globe the downward vector changes. So planes automatically adjust by staying perpendicular to down. The gyroscopes are designed to adjust to gravity.

==8, 22, 35 and 72 Multiple Forces==

[[File:Card_8.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_8.webp}}]]

Just like before, the existence of the Allais effect is evidence for gravity existing. As usual, flatearthers have troubles with multiple forces.

[[File:Card_22.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_22.webp}}]]

Of course there could be some hidden variables. Considering that flatearther can't even handle two known variables at the same time, Bell's theorem doesn't help them in the slightest.

[[File:Card_35.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_35.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_72.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_72.webp}}]]

It's only flatearthers who think that gravity is the only force.

==9 Alfvén waves==

[[File:Card_9.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_9.webp}}]]

The Alfvén waves require earth to be a globe with a magnetosphere. So once again evidence for the globe and against flat earth.

==10, 62, 63, 64 and 69 Light and Radio propagation==

[[File:Card_10.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_10.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_62.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_62.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_63.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_63.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_64.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_64.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_69.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_69.webp}}]]

His own explanation contradicts him. He is literally saying that light and radio waves can bend, therefore they shouldn't be able to bend around earth's curvature. On a flat earth on the other hand there is no obstruction preventing any location on the path from receiving the signal.

==11, 23, 41, 48 and 52 Star positions==

[[File:Card_11.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_11.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_23.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_23.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_41.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_41.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_48.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_48.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_52.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_52.webp}}]]

Ancient cultures being smarter than modern flatearthers is not evidence against the globe or for the flat earth. Also, stars do change. See [[#Star motion | Star motion]]

Funny that flatearthers constantly claim that the sky can't be used to determine the ground, while using the sky multiple times to claim that earth is flat.

==12 Mercury==

[[File:Card_12.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_12.webp}}]]

Mercury can be seen as a bright dot near the sun, exactly as the globe predicts, unlike the flat earth. We are able to see light even when the object is too small to resolve.

==13 24h Sun in Antarctica==

[[File:Card_13.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_13.webp}}]]

That claim is simply a lie. The 24h sun has been filmed multiple times, most famously during [[#TFE | TFE]].

==14 Antarctic Treaty==

[[File:Card_14.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_14.webp}}]]

The [[#Antarctic Treaty | Antarctic Treaty]] explicitly allows exploration, and forbids military operations

==15 and 46 Crepuscular rays==

[[File:Card_15.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_15.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_46.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_46.webp}}]]

The crepuscular and anti-crepuscular rays demonstrate that the sun rays are parallel.

[[File:Crepuscular_Rays,_India_-_NASA_Earth_Observatory.jpg|400px|link={{filepath:Crepuscular_Rays,_India_-_NASA_Earth_Observatory.jpg}}]]
<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crepuscular_rays <q>Crepuscular rays</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

==16 Antikythera Mechanism==

[[File:Card_16.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_16.webp}}]]

The ancient people noticed patterns and were able to make predictions. Modern predictions using the globe are significantly more precise.

==17 Bubbles in space==

[[File:Card_17.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_17.webp}}]]

There are no bubbles in space. Sometimes you can see some debris and such moving in every direction, not towards the surface of a pool.

==19 and 59 AE map==

[[File:Card_19.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_19.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_59.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_59.webp}}]]

The AE map is used as logos and such, but its usefulness in navigation is limited. Navigation, especially over a long distance uses the globe.
<ref>[https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/18_phak_ch16.pdf <q>Navigation</q> by FAA]</ref>

==20, 25, 26, 37, 61, 67 and 73 Horizon Observations==

[[File:Card_20.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_20.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_25.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_25.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_26.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_26.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_37.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_37.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_61.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_61.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_67.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_67.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_73.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_73.webp}}]]

Dave is just ignoring the elevation of the observer and the atmospheric conditions. He also ignores that large parts are hidden bottom first.
See also [[#Chicago Skyline | Chicago Skyline]]

==21 Bedford Level==

[[File:Card_21.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_21.webp}}]]

When Alfred Russel Wallace, a qualified surveyor, repeated the experiment he measured earth's curvature.
<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment <q>Bedford Level experiment</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

It's weird that no flatearther complains about this observation being called an experiment.

==24 Ancient Cosmology==

[[File:Card_24.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_24.webp}}]]

Ancient cultures believing in a flat earth, where the sun goes beneath the earth is not evidence for a flat earth.

==27, 28 and 31 Buildings==

[[File:Card_27.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_27.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_28.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_28.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_31.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_31.webp}}]]

Buildings do "lean" away from each other by 1° per 111 km. The Humber bridge for example.

<blockquote>
The bridge towers on each bank of the Humber are 36mm (1.4in) further
apart at the top than at the bottom. This has been done to take
account of the curvature of the earth.
</blockquote><ref>[https://www.visitgrimsby.co.uk/humber.htm <q>Humber Bridge</q> by visitgrimsby]</ref>

==29 Buoyancy and density==

[[File:Card_29.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_29.webp}}]]

Buoyancy literally has gravity in it's formula.

[[File:Buoyant-Force-Equation.jpg|500px|link={{filepath:Buoyant-Force-Equation.jpg}}]]

See the [[Density and buoyancy|main article on this topic]].

==30 and 49 Surveying==

[[File:Card_30.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_30.webp}}]]

Canada like every other country uses the globe for geodetic surveying.
<ref>[https://natural-resources.canada.ca/science-data/science-research/geomatics/geodetic-reference-systems/canadian-spatial-reference-system-csrs <q>About the Canadian Spatial Reference System</q> by Government of Canada]</ref>

[[File:Card_49.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_49.webp}}]]

Even ancient measuring tools measure earth's curvature.

==32, 44, and 71 Coriolis and Curvature corrections==

[[File:Card_32.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_32.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_44.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_44.webp}}]]

Canons not only take curvature into account they also adjust for Coriolis.
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/coriolis-artillery/ <q>Coriolis for Artillery</q> by MCToon]</ref>

Coriolis only has a notable effect over longer distances and time.

[[File:Card_71.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_71.webp}}]]

A Foucault's pendulum moves exactly as the globe predicts and can be used to determine your latitude.

==33 Cavendish==

[[File:Card_33.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_33.webp}}]]

Cavendish has been replicated multiple times.
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/g/ <q>Gravity Measurements</q> by MCToon]</ref>
Of course Dave has to deny all of them.

==36 Photos of Earth==

[[File:Card_36.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_36.webp}}]]

There are many photos of Earth that Dave has to deny as all of them show that Earth is a globe.

[[File:Blue_marble.webp|500px|link={{filepath:Blue_marble.webp}}]]
<ref>[https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/blue-marble-view-from-apollo-17/ <q>The Blue Marble: The View From Apollo 17</q> by NASA]</ref>

==38 Circumnavigation==

[[File:Card_38.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_38.webp}}]]

Circumnavigations over the poles have been done
<ref>[https://www.onemoreorbit.com/ <q>One More Orbit</q>]</ref>, but there is generally no reason to fly over the South Pole.

==39 Cold Moon light==

[[File:Card_39.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_39.webp}}]]

There is no such thing as [[#Cold moonlight | cold moon light]].

==40 Compasses==

[[File:Card_40.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_40.webp}}]]

Magnetic dip exists and compasses are often weighted to compensate for it.
<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_dip <q>Magnetic dip</q> by Wikipedia]</ref>

==42 Coulomb's law==

[[File:Card_42.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_42.webp}}]]

Coulomb's law only applies to electrically charged particles, gravity affects everything with mass.

==43 and 51 Curie Point==

[[File:Card_43.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_43.webp}}]]

[[File:Card_51.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_51.webp}}]]

The Curie Point applies to permanent magnets. Earth acts like a dynamo, not a permanent magnet.

==45 CORONA Satellites==

[[File:Card_45.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_45.webp}}]]

The CORONA satellites were indeed satellites, not planes.<ref>[https://www.cia.gov/legacy/museum/exhibit/corona-americas-first-imaging-satellite-program/ <q>CORONA: America's First Imaging Satellite Program</q> by CIA]</ref>

==47 and 68 Eclipses==

[[File:Card_47.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_47.webp}}]]

As usual Dave ignores the atmosphere. Furthermore every eclipse is predicted by the globe.

[[File:Selenelion.jpg|400px|link={{filepath:Selenelion.jpg}}]]
<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/selenelion <q>Selenelion: The Phenomenon Where Both the Sun and Moon Are Visible During a Total Lunar Eclipse</q> by flatearth.ws]</ref>

[[File:Card_68.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_68.webp}}]]

Eclipses are predicted using the globe. There is a pattern called the Saros Cycle which can give an approximate day, but not the exact time, or the location the eclipse is visible from.

==50 Two suns==

[[File:Card_50.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_50.webp}}]]

There is only one sun even though the atmosphere can sometimes make it appear as if there are multiple suns.

==53 Electrodynamic Tethers==

[[File:Card_53.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_53.webp}}]]

Electrodynamic tethers are wires.
<ref>[https://oa.upm.es/8463/2/INVE_MEM_2010_83098.pdf <q>A review of electrodynamic tethers for science applications</q> by J R Sanmartín]</ref>

==54 Sun distance==

[[File:Card_54.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_54.webp}}]]

The sun is much closer than other stars.

==55 Emergency landings==

[[File:Card_55.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_55.webp}}]]

When plotted on a globe the distance, something flatearthers always ignore, makes sense on the globe. See also [[#Flight Route | Flight Route]]

==56 Equinoxes==

[[File:Card_56.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_56.webp}}]]

Dave clearly drank too much Koolaid. On the globe always half of the globe is illuminated at any given time. On flat earth you get [[#Seasons | weird patterns]] with extrem bending of light.

==57 Equatorial mounts==

[[File:Card_57.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_57.webp}}]]

Equatorial mounts contradict flat earth.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHU_6Ot067M <q>I challenge Globe deniers to explain the Equinox problem!</q> by Dave McKeegan]</ref>
On the globe the motion with by far the largest influence is Earth's rotation. Over a short a period of time, like a day, the other movements can be safely ignored.

==58 Horizon at eye level==

[[File:Card_58.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_58.webp}}]]

The horizon does not rise to eye level.
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/horizon-does-not-rise-to-eye-level/ <q>Horizon does not rise to eye level</q> by MCToon]</ref>
When using tools to determine eye level, the horizon goes lower the higher you go.

==60 Fauna==

[[File:Card_60.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_60.webp}}]]

The distribution of Flora and Fauna has nothing to do with Earth's shape.

==65 Undersea cables==

[[File:Card_65.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_65.webp}}]]

Undersea cables match the globe distances. There is no specific adjustment needed other than the cable being long enough to follow earth's curvature.

==66 Level water==

[[File:Card_66.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_66.webp}}]]

Level doesn't mean flat.

[[File:Level-surface-2.png|500px|link={{filepath:Level-surface-2.png}}]]

==70 For-shortening==

[[File:Card_70.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_70.webp}}]]

For-shortening doesn't explain why objects go below the horizon as Dave himself [[#Horizon | demonstrates]].

==74 Gaussian coefficent==

[[File:Card_74.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_74.webp}}]]

I could not find anything about this.

==75 Galvanic cell==

[[File:Card_75.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_75.webp}}]]

Magnetic fields aren't flat.

==76 Geographic Range tables==

[[File:Card_76.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_76.webp}}]]

Geographic range table use a globe. The fact that the distance increases with elevation, demonstrates that.
<ref>[https://marineradvancement.com/explanationExamples/ngncExamples/ngncGeoGraphicRange/ngncGeoGraphicRange.pdf <q>Geographic Range</q> by NGNC]</ref>

==77 Gyroscopes==

[[File:Card_77.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_77.webp}}]]

Precise enough gyroscopes alter their orientation depending on Earth's rotation.
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNYW8JWMVOY <q>Mechanical Gyroscope shows earth's rotation of 15 degrees per hour</q> by fromjesse]</ref>
<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUbPynV68Bg <q>Friday Physics | Gyrocompass Proves Rotation of Earth</q> by Bob the Science Guy]</ref>

==78 Glass production==

[[File:Card_78.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_78.webp}}]]

Over the small length those glass planes are made, Earth's curvature really doesn't matter.

==79 Google earth==

[[File:Card_79.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_79.webp}}]]

The distances on Google earth for North and South match. So he is just lying.

==80 Government documents==

[[File:Card_80.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_80.webp}}]]

All those documents use a flat earth to simplify their models.
<ref>[https://mctoon.net/govdocs/ <q>Dean Odle & Nathan Roberts government documents</q> by MCToon]</ref>
Of course all the documents that actually measure earth to be a globe are ignored.

==81 Gravity anomalies==

[[File:Card_81.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_81.webp}}]]

Gravity depends on your location. That is expected and measured. Understanding that is used to detect minerals and oil and such.

==82 Green Flash==

[[File:Card_82.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_82.webp}}]]

It's an effect caused by the atmosphere, not the sun. the distance to the sun is irrelevant, you only need its light.

==83 Hall Effect==

[[File:Card_83.webp|400px|link={{filepath:Card_83.webp}}]]

Who told Dave that Hall Effect sensors detect gravity?

= Other Info =
* Channel name stands for "Deep Inside the Rabbit Hole." Many switch the T & R to make it pronounceable: "DIRTH."
* Promotes the "Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock" app, which has been criticized for [https://youtu.be/71FRE9cZczw actively leaking user data].
* Vehemently rejected a free trip to Antarctica for [[The Final Experiment|TFE]].
* [https://www.youtube.com/live/Y7g1yHyQ9DY?t=6h28m24s Hard to distinguish] from a [[Wikipedia:potato|potato]].
* Has used his channel to share the [[MCToon harassment website]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/qBtGtoo-oH4 <q>DIRTₕ is very Experienced at it</q> by MCToon Live]</ref>
* He joined a fake podcast hosted by It's a Rubiks, with Toon and FTFE as guests.<ref name="fakePodcast"/>
* He was humiliated by Professor Dave.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-7vs0BkLE <q>Professor Dave Humiliates Flat Earther David Weiss (DITRH Debunked Live)</q> by Professor Dave Explains]</ref>

= References =
<references/>

[[Category:Papa flerfs]]
[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:YouTube flerfs with 100 000+ subscribers]]

Nathan Oakley

2026-06-01T14:09:23Z

Ttguy: /* Known Accounts */

{{Infobox
| image = File:NathanOakley.jpg
| caption = TFW his daughter is playing instead of sitting still during "Daddy's shouty time"
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/ YouTube]
| papa = [[Eric Dubay]]
| drinksUrine = Yes
| realName = Paula Oakley's Ward
| alias = Slappy the Clown, Nathan Jokely
| location = Paula's Home
| religiflerf = Just enough to grift
| teeth = Ferengi
| adoptedBy=[[User:BuckSodbuster|BuckSodbuster]]
}}

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Platform !! Account
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@NathanOakley80 <code>@NathanOakley80</code>]
|-
| EBay || [https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/niceplant <code>niceplant</code>]
|}

Started channel in 2010, showing off lifestyle equipment (audio visual, coffee machines etc) with the name "Audio Paula" named after his now wife. Experimented with various guises, including basically pimping out his wife for views and showing sex toys in the background, which Nathan uses exclusively on himself. If OnlyFans were around then, the Flat Earth might not exist as we know it! Quickly moved onto the Flat Earth Grift, and attempted to get into the [[Mark Sargent]] / Patricia Steere crowd, drinking any amount of his own, undiluted urine as necessary. Quick to temper, and a high opinion of his own intelligence, mostly due to the massive chip on his shoulder that he isn't successful, he has somehow managed to distil all of his arguments down into a simple, undisputable (by people who don't give a crap) argument that sounds right and is easy to repeat. Has a central set of notes and talking points he shares with QE and others, but has regularly slipped up and disclosed this is a grift, he doesn't believe a word he says, just chases the argument down to it's incessant, drawn out conclusion of anyone listening just gives up.

Was good friends with fake minicab driver and crayola solicitor Anthony [[Riley]], who invented / pulled from his arse with no supporting materials Relative Density Equilibrium. A theory that explains why things drop, without explaining why items of different density drop at the same speed in a vacuum, or why objects on the ground experience an acceleration of 9.8m/s per second (or friction for that matter).

Regularly fills panel with education dodgers such as Brian's Logic, who never completed his Junior Cert, and has the same chip on his shoulder as his mates left rural Ireland for the big smoke.

As Paula needs to work to ensure they can keep up with the joneses, Nathan is free to hold daily Daddy Day Care sessions. His temper extends to more than just other adults though, his kids better watch out, or a well timed slap is inevitable. Nathan refuses to check out local men's sheds to develop other hobbies.

Lately, has been watching his empire burn as his friends turn their backs on him due to a Word file he is calling a book being held hostage. He is paying Paula to create a new Doc file, and listen to the benign shit he goes on about day after day while Paula actually works. This will probably end in divorce once school starts.

He does not know what he will do when the grift ends, as he is not popular enough to deflect.

== Burned Bridges ==
Oakley is truly a horrid monster, as evidenced by the string of former panel members that he has turned on and is in constant fights with. In no particular Order:
* [[Arwijn]]
* [[Quantum Eraser]]
* [[Adam Meak-In]]
* [[Broin]]
* [[Flatzoid]]
* [[Bev]]
* [[Elderbear]]
* [[JinCBR1]]

== Likes to Call his Critics Ugly ==
When Nathan can’t address a point, he pivots to appearance—calling critics ugly instead of engaging their arguments. It’s a textbook dodge that says more about his position than his opponents.

He forgets that this is his mouth and it is one of the ugliest things on our globe.

[[File:Oakley_teeth.jpg|200px|link={{filepath:Oakley_teeth.jpg}}]]

== Wishing Self-Harm to Others ==
Nathan has repeatedly told opponents to harm themselves during disagreements. This behavior is documented across numerous instances in recorded debates/comments, including direct statements such as this:

[[File:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg|400px|link={{filepath:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg}}]]

== Flerf Mass ==
Nathan's daily show is modeled after a Catholic mass where he has a challenge-response with the panel.

If any acolytes besmirch the Oakley they may be assigned a number of Hail Oakleys as penance. 
[[File:Hail_Oakley.png|800px]]

== That time he admitted the earth is a globe ==
This was a conversation between him and Anthony Riley:

[[File:NathanOakleyAdmitsGlobe.png]]

== Nathan's Response to Appear on "The Drunk Debunk Show" to promote his "book"==
<blockquote>
Dear ugly dweeb cunt thief with a shite YouTube channel.

"I have Oakleys book, want me to send it"

"Yes send it me please"

So, you want to help me feed my kids by asking (not paying for) a book that is yet to be released be sent to you for free from a troll in your chat?? My book isn't out yet you dumb motherfucker shit for brains who believes anything he's told!

I'd love to flush your fuck ugly, thieving dweeb head down the toilet like the kids at your school used to do to you. You look like the type of person that often got beaten up just for being you, and based on your disingenuous message and willingness to steel from me, I can understand why.

Go find a tall building and use yourself to prove gravity with it! You can use the flat earth measurement of altitude from sea level to know how high you are when you do so. This will help prevent the world getting populated with other dumbfuck thieves, who believe everything that are told and are willing to steal from a family man.

If I wanted to talk to a fuck ugly, thieving dweeb cunt, I'd be the one proactively contacting you! You are a dumb, no name twat! "Sold exposure" you are total fucking nobody and completely delusional!

Let me know when you jump so I can continue not giving a fuck about you or what you do as nobody watches.

Feel free to join my live (door is open to cunts like you) show and maybe we'll build some actual rapport, or maybe you'll get your head flushed live for my audience and their appreciation of watching a no name wanker pirate get a metaphorical shit kicking by a real man. If you need a free copy of my book, feel free to beg me for it like you begged the bullies to stop beating you up!

Yours Faithfully

Nathan
</blockquote>

When asked for comment, TDDS considered this a "Maybe" and is still hoping Nathan comes through in the end.
== Other Info ==
* Constantly goes [[flerf-on-flerf]] with everyone.
* Shares a Discord server with [[Quantum Eraser]].
* Was [https://youtu.be/Ldx_XV02Oec heard beating his children] while his mic was on.
* Wonders how his balls taste.
* Has personal prove of the dome.
* Unable to convert meters to kilometers <ref>the 6min mark in [https://youtu.be/7IFaqezQj44?si=u3eFCFc9S_0KFjGG&t=360 this] video</ref>
see [[Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs]]

* Is a bender when he skates
* Has “no issue with” the [[Wikipedia:Nigger|N-word]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/wLKlhELvbeM?t=1401 23:21 Oakley using the N-word, <q>Flat Earth Debate 2321 LIVE Politics</q> by NathanOakley1980]</ref>
* loves the mute button but finds it hard to do when debating live <ref>[https://youtu.be/cW4lc5bX6Hk?si=0jt0IuD0BdaRZ-sM see this] video</ref>and <ref>[https://youtu.be/2IgEqPojXn4?si=JmXHJ47QBv9hDgVn this Conspiracy Catz] video</ref>

= References =
<references/>

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Papa flerfs]]
[[Category:Criminals]]
[[Category: British flerfs]]

Nathan Oakley

2026-06-01T10:54:10Z

Ttguy: /* Other Info Cc video */

{{Infobox
| image = File:NathanOakley.jpg
| caption = TFW his daughter is playing instead of sitting still during "Daddy's shouty time"
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/ YouTube]
| papa = [[Eric Dubay]]
| drinksUrine = Yes
| realName = Paula Oakley's Ward
| alias = Slappy the Clown, Nathan Jokely
| location = Paula's Home
| religiflerf = Just enough to grift
| teeth = Ferengi
| adoptedBy=[[User:BuckSodbuster|BuckSodbuster]]
}}

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Platform !! Account
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@NathanOakley80 <code>@NathanOakley80</code>]
|-
| EBay || [https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/niceplant <code>niceplant</code>]
|}

Started channel in 2010, showing off lifestyle equipment (audio visual, coffee machines etc) with the name "Audio Paula" named after his now wife. Experimented with various guises, including basically pimping out his wife for views and showing sex toys in the background, which Nathan uses exclusively on himself. If OnlyFans were around then, the Flat Earth might not exist as we know it! Quickly moved onto the Flat Earth Grift, and attempted to get into the [[Mark Sargent]] / Patricia Steere crowd, drinking any amount of his own, undiluted urine as necessary. Quick to temper, and a high opinion of his own intelligence, mostly due to the massive chip on his shoulder that he isn't successful, he has somehow managed to distil all of his arguments down into a simple, undisputable (by people who don't give a crap) argument that sounds right and is easy to repeat. Has a central set of notes and talking points he shares with QE and others, but has regularly slipped up and disclosed this is a grift, he doesn't believe a word he says, just chases the argument down to it's incessant, drawn out conclusion of anyone listening just gives up.

Was good friends with fake minicab driver and crayola solicitor Anthony Riley, who invented / pulled from his arse with no supporting materials Relative Density Equilibrium. A theory that explains why things drop, without explaining why items of different density drop at the same speed in a vacuum, or why objects on the ground experience an acceleration of 9.8m/s per second (or friction for that matter).

Regularly fills panel with education dodgers such as Brian's Logic, who never completed his Junior Cert, and has the same chip on his shoulder as his mates left rural Ireland for the big smoke.

As Paula needs to work to ensure they can keep up with the joneses, Nathan is free to hold daily Daddy Day Care sessions. His temper extends to more than just other adults though, his kids better watch out, or a well timed slap is inevitable. Nathan refuses to check out local men's sheds to develop other hobbies.

Lately, has been watching his empire burn as his friends turn their backs on him due to a Word file he is calling a book being held hostage. He is paying Paula to create a new Doc file, and listen to the benign shit he goes on about day after day while Paula actually works. This will probably end in divorce once school starts.

He does not know what he will do when the grift ends, as he is not popular enough to deflect.

== Burned Bridges ==
Oakley is truly a horrid monster, as evidenced by the string of former panel members that he has turned on and is in constant fights with. In no particular Order:
* [[Arwijn]]
* [[Quantum Eraser]]
* [[Adam Meak-In]]
* [[Broin]]
* [[Flatzoid]]
* [[Bev]]
* [[Elderbear]]
* [[JinCBR1]]

== Likes to Call his Critics Ugly ==
When Nathan can’t address a point, he pivots to appearance—calling critics ugly instead of engaging their arguments. It’s a textbook dodge that says more about his position than his opponents.

He forgets that this is his mouth and it is one of the ugliest things on our globe.

[[File:Oakley_teeth.jpg|200px|link={{filepath:Oakley_teeth.jpg}}]]

== Wishing Self-Harm to Others ==
Nathan has repeatedly told opponents to harm themselves during disagreements. This behavior is documented across numerous instances in recorded debates/comments, including direct statements such as this:

[[File:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg|400px|link={{filepath:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg}}]]

== Flerf Mass ==
Nathan's daily show is modeled after a Catholic mass where he has a challenge-response with the panel.

If any acolytes besmirch the Oakley they may be assigned a number of Hail Oakleys as penance. 
[[File:Hail_Oakley.png|800px]]

== That time he admitted the earth is a globe ==
This was a conversation between him and Anthony Riley:

[[File:NathanOakleyAdmitsGlobe.png]]

== Nathan's Response to Appear on "The Drunk Debunk Show" to promote his "book"==
<blockquote>
Dear ugly dweeb cunt thief with a shite YouTube channel.

"I have Oakleys book, want me to send it"

"Yes send it me please"

So, you want to help me feed my kids by asking (not paying for) a book that is yet to be released be sent to you for free from a troll in your chat?? My book isn't out yet you dumb motherfucker shit for brains who believes anything he's told!

I'd love to flush your fuck ugly, thieving dweeb head down the toilet like the kids at your school used to do to you. You look like the type of person that often got beaten up just for being you, and based on your disingenuous message and willingness to steel from me, I can understand why.

Go find a tall building and use yourself to prove gravity with it! You can use the flat earth measurement of altitude from sea level to know how high you are when you do so. This will help prevent the world getting populated with other dumbfuck thieves, who believe everything that are told and are willing to steal from a family man.

If I wanted to talk to a fuck ugly, thieving dweeb cunt, I'd be the one proactively contacting you! You are a dumb, no name twat! "Sold exposure" you are total fucking nobody and completely delusional!

Let me know when you jump so I can continue not giving a fuck about you or what you do as nobody watches.

Feel free to join my live (door is open to cunts like you) show and maybe we'll build some actual rapport, or maybe you'll get your head flushed live for my audience and their appreciation of watching a no name wanker pirate get a metaphorical shit kicking by a real man. If you need a free copy of my book, feel free to beg me for it like you begged the bullies to stop beating you up!

Yours Faithfully

Nathan
</blockquote>

When asked for comment, TDDS considered this a "Maybe" and is still hoping Nathan comes through in the end.
== Other Info ==
* Constantly goes [[flerf-on-flerf]] with everyone.
* Shares a Discord server with [[Quantum Eraser]].
* Was [https://youtu.be/Ldx_XV02Oec heard beating his children] while his mic was on.
* Wonders how his balls taste.
* Has personal prove of the dome.
* Unable to convert meters to kilometers <ref>the 6min mark in [https://youtu.be/7IFaqezQj44?si=u3eFCFc9S_0KFjGG&t=360 this] video</ref>
see [[Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs]]

* Is a bender when he skates
* Has “no issue with” the [[Wikipedia:Nigger|N-word]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/wLKlhELvbeM?t=1401 23:21 Oakley using the N-word, <q>Flat Earth Debate 2321 LIVE Politics</q> by NathanOakley1980]</ref>
* loves the mute button but finds it hard to do when debating live <ref>[https://youtu.be/cW4lc5bX6Hk?si=0jt0IuD0BdaRZ-sM see this] video</ref>and <ref>[https://youtu.be/2IgEqPojXn4?si=JmXHJ47QBv9hDgVn this Conspiracy Catz] video</ref>

= References =
<references/>

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Papa flerfs]]
[[Category:Criminals]]
[[Category: British flerfs]]

Challenger Disaster

2026-06-01T06:35:39Z

Ttguy: page created

This common lie raised by flerfs maintains that in 1986 the Space Shuttle Challenger did not explode and that the 7 astronauts that were on board were not killed and are still living.
The claim is accompanied by a meme that purports to have found images of the dead astronauts living in plain sight in the USA.

[[File:Brother earnest challenger1 are they.png|thumb|left|400px|Example Meme making the false claim about the Challenger Disaster]]

One example of a flerf pushing this is [[Earnest Pearson]].

This claim has been comprehensively debunked many times over. One example is [https://youtu.be/axfpL7sfJqs?si=rOcVI7_wSPO2rCDJ this] video from Astronomy Live hosted on [https://www.youtube.com/@RedsRhetoric RedsRhetoric] channel. In that video each claimed image is compared to the actual images of the astronauts using face comparison tools and the results clearly show that the claims are baseless.

This is a particularly offensive claim to make since it denies the genuine loss of the Astronauts and it disrespects their sacrifice. [[MCToon]] will cancel your debate with him if you go here.

[[Category:Flerf lies]]

File:Brother earnest challenger1 are they.png

2026-06-01T06:29:51Z

Ttguy:

Red Pill Philosophy

2026-06-01T06:15:51Z

Ttguy: RPP debate on MC Toon

{{Infobox
| realName = Chris Delamo
| alias = Red Pill Philosophy
| location = USA
| platform = You Tube
| image=File:Red Pill philosophy.png
}}

This flerf is the inspiration for [[MCToon]] drinking Tabs on stream. RPP famously talked about how having multiple tabs open on your browswer meant you were high IQ. <ref>[https://youtu.be/OPR4Mx2wLDM?si=hbSAW_89D_P5rCqY&t=133 Rider Of Dinosaurs Video] 2:13min mark </ref>

Judging by his odysee account he has graduated from flerf to incel.

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Known Accounts
|-
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@RedPillPhilosophy-s9p RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2020)
|-
| [https://odysee.com odysee] || [https://odysee.com/@RedPillPhilosophy:4?view=content RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2024)
|-
| [https://www.facebook.com facebook] || [https://www.facebook.com/RedPillPhilosophy/ RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Public Post Nov 2024)
|}

RPP mentions this domain on his facebook page - you can buy it today - June 2026
[[File:Redpillphilosophy domain for sale.png]]

=Notable Appearances=
[https://www.youtube.com/live/01PrsVVhe-A?si=vti8cjKAt6xOlPeU MCToon Live] Jan 2020

=References=

[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Ex-flerfs ]]

Chris Delamo

2026-06-01T06:11:07Z

Ttguy: create page

#REDIRECT [[Red Pill Philosophy]]

Red Pill Philosophy

2026-06-01T06:07:33Z

Ttguy: domain name for sale

{{Infobox
| realName = Chris Delamo
| alias = Red Pill Philosophy
| location = USA
| platform = You Tube
| image=File:Red Pill philosophy.png
}}

This flerf is the inspiration for [[MCToon]] drinking Tabs on stream. RPP famously talked about how having multiple tabs open on your browswer meant you were high IQ. <ref>[https://youtu.be/OPR4Mx2wLDM?si=hbSAW_89D_P5rCqY&t=133 Rider Of Dinosaurs Video] 2:13min mark </ref>

Judging by his odysee account he has graduated from flerf to incel.

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Known Accounts
|-
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@RedPillPhilosophy-s9p RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2020)
|-
| [https://odysee.com odysee] || [https://odysee.com/@RedPillPhilosophy:4?view=content RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2024)
|-
| [https://www.facebook.com facebook] || [https://www.facebook.com/RedPillPhilosophy/ RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Public Post Nov 2024)
|}

RPP mentions this domain on his facebook page - you can buy it today - June 2026
[[File:Redpillphilosophy domain for sale.png]]

[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Ex-flerfs ]]

File:Redpillphilosophy domain for sale.png

2026-06-01T06:05:53Z

Ttguy: URL advertised on RPP face book page

== Summary ==
URL advertised on RPP face book page

Red Pill Philosophy

2026-06-01T06:03:49Z

Ttguy: face book

{{Infobox
| realName = Chris Delamo
| alias = Red Pill Philosophy
| location = USA
| platform = You Tube
| image=File:Red Pill philosophy.png
}}

This flerf is the inspiration for [[MCToon]] drinking Tabs on stream. RPP famously talked about how having multiple tabs open on your browswer meant you were high IQ. <ref>[https://youtu.be/OPR4Mx2wLDM?si=hbSAW_89D_P5rCqY&t=133 Rider Of Dinosaurs Video] 2:13min mark </ref>

Judging by his odysee account he has graduated from flerf to incel.

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Known Accounts
|-
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@RedPillPhilosophy-s9p RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2020)
|-
| [https://odysee.com odysee] || [https://odysee.com/@RedPillPhilosophy:4?view=content RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2024)
|-
| [https://www.facebook.com facebook] || [https://www.facebook.com/RedPillPhilosophy/ RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Public Post Nov 2024)
|}

[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Ex-flerfs ]]

Red Pill Philosophy

2026-06-01T05:59:28Z

Ttguy: Category:Ex-flerfs - and incel

{{Infobox
| realName = Chris Delamo
| alias = Red Pill Philosophy
| location = USA
| platform = You Tube
| image=File:Red Pill philosophy.png
}}

This flerf is the inspiration for [[MCToon]] drinking Tabs on stream. RPP famously talked about how having multiple tabs open on your browswer meant you were high IQ. <ref>[https://youtu.be/OPR4Mx2wLDM?si=hbSAW_89D_P5rCqY&t=133 Rider Of Dinosaurs Video] 2:13min mark </ref>

Judging by his odysee account he has graduated from flerf to incel.

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Known Accounts
|-
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@RedPillPhilosophy-s9p RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2020)
|-
| [https://odysee.com odysee] || [https://odysee.com/@RedPillPhilosophy:4?view=content RedPillPhilosophy] || In Active - Last Video Nov 2024)
|}

[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Ex-flerfs ]]

Red Pill Philosophy

2026-06-01T05:53:27Z

Ttguy:

Red Pill Philosophy

2026-06-01T05:47:16Z

Ttguy: created

File:Red Pill philosophy.png

2026-06-01T05:41:23Z

Ttguy: from youtube

== Summary ==
from youtube

Shelley Lewis

2026-06-01T03:51:08Z

Ttguy:

= Shelley Lewis =
Tried to make a Flat Earth Documentary with [[JM Truth]] but they fell out and it was a hilarious drama.

[[File:ThePlane truth JMTruth doco.png|300px]]

More details to come

[https://youtube.com/shorts/Zmc-kE5fN4k?si=CIFXAQMXIeWF1C-O appearance on jubilee]

== Mask Karen ==

Shelly hit fame for being a viral Covid mask Karen
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l94n1mfeCMo
Woman Wants to Sue Supermarket Over Face Mask Policy | NowThis]

[[Category:American flerfs]]

JM Truth

2026-06-01T03:50:31Z

Ttguy: /* Projects */

{{Infobox
| realName = Joshua Michael Gennari
| image = File:JMTruth2.jpg
| location = USA
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@JMTRUTHTV YouTube] last video Nov 25 2019
}}

= JM Truth =
This man was the genesis of the house keeping question often asked to flat earthers "Is 10 the negative 17 a negative number". That is because of this exchange with JM Truth in a YT video

q: "is 10 to the negative 12 and negative number?"
JM: "What do you mean by negative"
"Yeah it would be a negative number"
10 to the negative 17 is negative 17 10 times. It is basic math
I am well aware of what scientific notation is 10 to the negative 17 is minus 170"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0c-7dVX_c JM Truth - 10^(-17) is a negative number]

(See [[Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs]])

== Claims ==
* Microwaves are sounds
* Pi is 3.5 or 3.75
* Dismantled Newton and Einstein's Theories
* Astronomy is not a science
* Film production is a science
* Can't convert a diameter to a radius
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdmWF3cjYY JM Truth Stupidity - TTguy Reacts]

== Projects ==
* Camera man on [[Shelley Lewis]] flat earth documentary until they fell out.
[[File:ThePlane truth JMTruth doco.png|400px]]

* SCIENCE 100 SERIES of video lectures on youtube
[[File:JM truth science series.png|300px]]

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Lapsed Flerf]]

File:ThePlane truth JMTruth doco.png

2026-06-01T03:49:21Z

Ttguy: extracted from a Rider of Dinosaurs YT video Shelly Lewis and JM Truth

== Summary ==
extracted from a Rider of Dinosaurs YT video Shelly Lewis and JM Truth

Austin Witsit

2026-06-01T03:39:37Z

Ttguy: To do

{{Infobox
| realName = Austin David Whitsitt
| alias=SpitsIt WhitSPiT WhitShiT Witless Unemployed Austin Luggage Word Salad
| image = File:Whitsitt.jpg
| location = US
| platform = [https://witsitgetsit.com witsitgetsit.com] [https://www.youtube.com/@Witsit YouTube] [https://kick.com/witsit Kick]
| papa = [[Nathan Thompson]]
| antisemite = Yes
| religiflerf = Yes
| drinksUrine = never been falsified
}}

'''Austin David Whitsitt''', known online as '''Witsit Gets It''', "Unemployed Austin", or "Spitsit", is an American content creator and prominent advocate of flat Earth theories. He is known for his participation in debates and discussions challenging mainstream scientific views.

In December 2024, Whitsitt participated as useless luggage in [[The Final Experiment]] in Antarctica, where he acknowledged the existence of the 24-hour sun, a phenomenon that challenges flat Earth models. Despite this, he remains a flerf. However, TFE hit him for a six, he went loco, went through hundreds of tissue boxes(yes Flatzoid, you aint alone), and now he practices his cult preaching's all the way from his Mom's Spare bedroom.

Witsit is known for expressing nonsensical pseudoscientific concepts with speed and confidence, earning him a reputation as a generator of "word salad".

In 2026, Whitsitt launched a new self-hosted website at [https://witsitgetsit.com witsitgetsit.com], which he promotes as a "censorship"-free alternative hub for his content. The site aggregates paid memberships, private streams, watch parties, Discord access, direct messaging, super chats, and live stream follows (routed through his Kick channel).

= Fans =
The collective term for a number of WitSpit fans is "A spit-mist of flerfs". Credit to TheSunExpress.

= Known Accounts =
{| class="wikitable"
! Platform !! Account
|-
| [https://witsitgetsit.com Witsitgetsit.com] (primary hub) || [https://witsitgetsit.com witsitgetsit.com]
|-
| [https://kick.com/witsit Kick] || [https://kick.com/witsit witsit]
|-
| [https://witsit.tv Witsit.tv] || [https://witsit.tv witsit.tv]
|-
| [https://twitter.com/WitsitGetsIt Twitter] || [https://twitter.com/WitsitGetsIt @WitsitGetsIt]
|-
| [https://patreon.com/WitsitGetsIt Patreon] || [https://patreon.com/WitsitGetsIt WitsitGetsIt]
|-
| [https://rumble.com/user/WitsitGetsIt Rumble] || [https://rumble.com/user/WitsitGetsIt WitsitGetsIt]
|-
| [https://rokfin.com/witsitgetsit Rokfin] || [https://rokfin.com/witsitgetsit witsitgetsit]
|-
| [https://ko-fi.com/witsit Ko-fi] || [https://ko-fi.com/witsit witsit]
|-
| [https://t.me/miswits Telegram] || [https://t.me/miswits miswits]
|-
| [https://t.me/witsitgetsit Telegram] || [https://t.me/witsitgetsit witsitgetsit]
|-
| [https://t.me/witsitstreams Telegram] || [https://t.me/witsitstreams witsitstreams]
|-
| [https://auditnasa.com Audit NASA] || [https://auditnasa.com auditnasa.com]
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com/@Witsit YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@Witsit Witsit Gets It]
|}

= Arrest History =

Collect the [[Witsit Trading Cards]]!

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Arrest History
! Date !! Reason !! Mugshot !! Records !! Notes
|-
| Apr 9, 2013 || Possession of Marijuana || N/A || [https://weakley.tncrtinfo.com/crCaseForm.aspx?id=E6903D40-F66B-43C0-9DBC-A7386CB53626&dsid=e608439d County Criminal Record] [https://www.nwtntoday.com/2013/04/19/weakley-county-general-sessions/ Newspaper Article 2013-04-09] ||
|-
| Apr 5, 2014 || Driving While License Revoked || N/A || [https://madison.tncrtinfo.com/crCaseForm.aspx?id=7E1E24EC-1FC2-4939-B596-898F7FE3F2B2&dsid=657dee84 County Criminal Record] ||
|-
| Oct 4, 2015 || Assault || N/A || [https://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime/article47623610.html News article] [https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-14-CR-0001889-2015&dnh=gZ2Ferj%2B4qqyH7F7NR4EGQ%3D%3D Pennsylvania Courts Docket] [https://web.archive.org/web/20250118045932/https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-14-CR-0001889-2015&dnh=gZ2Ferj%2B4qqyH7F7NR4EGQ%3D%3D Archived version] || Punched someone at a bar
|-
| 2016 || Public intoxication || [[File:Witsit Mugshot 2016 public intoxication.jpg|150px|thumb]] || ||
|-
| Oct 10, 2018 || Public intoxication || [[File:Witsit Mugshot 2018-10-10.jpg|150px|thumb]] || ||
|-
| Mar 5, 2019 || Shoplifting || [[File:Witsit Mugshot 2019-03-05.png|150px|thumb]] || ||
|-
| Mar 23, 2021 || Possessing marijuana || [[File:Witsit Mugshot 2021-03.jpg|150px|thumb]] || [https://monroefl.mugshots.zone/whitsitt-austin-david-mugshot-03-23-2021/ Mugshot] ||
|-
| Aug 4, 2021 || Demonstration in Undesignated Area (Yellowstone National Park) || N/A || '''Dockets:''' [https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/44468155/USA_v_Whitsitt PACER] · [https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63291352/united-states-v-whitsitt/ CourtListener] · [https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-whitsitt-3 Casetext] · [https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-whitsitt-2 Casetext (Appeal)] '''Court Documents:''' [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NQvLBlRbUgbDNmKES2HJfYWdhi2mLboQ/view?usp=drive_link Motion to Dismiss] · [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HFu_k4ArroJbc_iDc70cliaK9rKFzWOt/view?usp=drive_link Denial of Motion] · [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cEl7uus-pHDOmy2i4tyff9kisIrFJU4p/view?usp=drive_link Trial Minutes] · [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VA3nC9gtVIyhKNe1g6NNFhLmiHII4FlH/view?usp=drive_link Judgment] || Found guilty after bench trial on April 18, 2022. See [[#United States v. Whitsitt — Yellowstone Federal Case|full case details below]].
|-
| Oct 2, 2023 || Domestic battery || [[File:Austin Mugshot 2023-10-02.jpg|150px|thumb]] || [https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Austin_Whitsitt_57194563/ Florida Arrest Record] [[File:2023 Whitsitt battery docketimage 1 page 1 redacted.png|150px|thumb]] || Spit on his wife's face
|}

= United States v. Whitsitt — Yellowstone Federal Case =

''Case No. 5:21-PO-00627-MLC, United States District Court for the District of Wyoming''

== Background ==

On August 4, 2021, Whitsitt was at the Mammoth Hot Springs gas station in Yellowstone National Park when he began spontaneously preaching about flat earth, biblical cosmology, COVID-related government overreach, and anti-government conspiracy theories from inside a recreational vehicle to passersby. Park rangers had received advance notice from Mount Rushmore National Memorial about Whitsitt, who had previously been cited there for a First Amendment protest permit violation while filming for TikTok with amplified speakers. Radio communications between rangers described the subjects as "flat earthers" whose speech had been "political in nature."

Ranger David Dunn (#1400) issued Whitsitt a violation notice, originally charging "failure to obtain a permit." Upon detainment, the ranger told Whitsitt that "First Amendment activity" required a permit. The charge was later amended to "Demonstration in Undesignated Area" under 36 C.F.R. § 2.51(b)(j).

== Whitsitt's Pro Se Defense ==

Whitsitt represented himself throughout the case. He filed two motions to dismiss — one for facial invalidity of 36 C.F.R. § 2.51, and a second arguing First Amendment violations. His filings listed a Box Elder, South Dakota mailing address (514 Americas Way PMB 17789) and his Protonmail email (Witsit@protonmail.com).

=== Motion to Dismiss for First Amendment Violation (Doc. 29) ===

[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NQvLBlRbUgbDNmKES2HJfYWdhi2mLboQ/view?usp=drive_link Full document]

Filed March 14, 2022, Whitsitt's 16-page motion argued the government violated his First Amendment rights in seven areas:

# '''Free Exercise of Religion''' — Whitsitt framed flat earth advocacy as a religious obligation, arguing the Bible describes the earth as "an immovable and fixed, topographical plane, contained within a firmament." He cited several Scripture passages and claimed a spiritual duty to warn people about what he described as government deception regarding the shape of the earth, COVID masking, vaccine mandates, lockdowns, temperature screenings, and digital tracking systems. He connected all of these topics to the biblical "Mark of the Beast" prophecy in Revelation 13.
# '''Number of the Beast''' — Whitsitt argued the heliocentric model is encoded with the number 666, citing the earth's axial tilt (66.6°), orbital speed (66,600 mph), and other figures. He claimed NASA's name means "to deceive" in Hebrew and that NASA projects are named after pagan deities.
# '''Freedom of Speech and Press''' — He argued he was spontaneously speaking from inside a recreational vehicle at a gas station while waiting for a blocked exit to clear, and that the ranger's requirement of a permit for any "First Amendment activity" constituted prior restraint.
# '''Peaceable Assembly''' — Whitsitt contended that bystanders voluntarily gathered on public sidewalks to listen, which the government mischaracterized as a disruptive "traffic jam."
# '''Grievances''' — He argued the government specifically targeted his speech because it was critical of the government ("anti-government").
# '''Content-Based Censorship''' — Whitsitt pointed to the Mount Rushmore BOLO communication and the ranger's interest in the content of his speech as evidence of viewpoint discrimination.
# '''Unconstitutional "First Amendment Areas"''' — He cited ''Boardley v. U.S. Department of the Interior'', 615 F.3d 508 (2010), which found that requiring individuals to obtain permits before engaging in expressive activities in designated "free speech areas" violates the First Amendment.

=== Denial of Motion to Dismiss ===

[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HFu_k4ArroJbc_iDc70cliaK9rKFzWOt/view?usp=drive_link Full document]

The court denied Whitsitt's motion to dismiss for First Amendment violations.

=== Discovery Dispute (Doc. 37) ===

Whitsitt requested production of all evidence related to the incident, including all permit request approvals and denials in Yellowstone since 2013 and all superintendent designations of free speech areas. In an order dated April 11, 2022, Chief Magistrate Judge Kelly H. Rankin denied the request, finding the government had complied with Rule 16 discovery obligations and that Whitsitt had not made a prima facie showing of materiality for the additional records.

The government also admitted during a status conference that body camera footage from Ranger L'Ecuyer could not be located, but denied altering or redacting any audio or video recordings.

== Bench Trial (Doc. 38) ==

[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cEl7uus-pHDOmy2i4tyff9kisIrFJU4p/view?usp=drive_link Full document]

The bench trial took place on April 18, 2022, before Chief United States Magistrate Judge Kelly H. Rankin, at Mammoth Hot Springs with some parties appearing via Zoom. The government was represented by Jonathan Coppom; Whitsitt represented himself.

'''Witnesses called by the Government:'''
* Ranger David Dunn — the citing officer
* Lucia Petrin — civilian witness
* Michael Anderson — civilian witness
* Denise Foster — civilian witness
* Ranger Jill Paxton

'''Witnesses called by the Defense:'''
* Ranger L'Ecuyer — the government had initially declined to call this witness, and their body camera footage was missing
* Ranger David Dunn (recalled)

The government moved to enter Exhibit 5 (video of Whitsitt at Mount Rushmore); Whitsitt objected, but the judge admitted it.

The judge began findings at 12:08 PM and found Whitsitt guilty at 12:21 PM.

== Sentence (Doc. 40) ==

[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VA3nC9gtVIyhKNe1g6NNFhLmiHII4FlH/view?usp=drive_link Full document]

Whitsitt was sentenced on April 18, 2022:

* '''Fine:''' $500
* '''Processing fee:''' $30
* '''Special assessment:''' $10
* '''Total financial penalty:''' $540 (due by July 1, 2022)
* '''Unsupervised probation:''' 1 year
* '''Special condition:''' Banned from entering Yellowstone National Park for 1 year

= Other Info =
* Frequently engages in [[Flerf-on-flerf|flerf-on-flerfs]] with [[Nathan Oakley]].
* One of only four flat earthers who travelled for [[The Final Experiment]].
* Suspended for fighting at a football game [https://www.nwtntoday.com/2009/09/03/messenger-sports-briefs-for-september-3-2/ Local Newspaper Article]

= Selected Quotations =

== Full moon and new moon ==

<blockquote>
'''Will Duffy:''' What is a full moon and what is a new moon on your model?

'''Austin Whitsitt:''' I think it's probably like a magnetic cycle, and just like the center of a ferrocell image of a magnet, it's just completely black. It's actually just pure inertia in the center in the ferrocell image of a magnet. I think that's what it is. It just actually goes into its inertial state and then charges back up and once it becomes, like, aetherically displaced again, you start to see it charge up throughout its cycle, and then it goes back. :contentReference[oaicite:1]{index=1}
</blockquote>

== Southern compasses ==

<blockquote>
'''Austin Whitsitt:''' Apparently southern compasses are a psyop.
</blockquote>

= Misogyny and domestic abuse =

Main Article: [[Austin Witsit/Misogyny and domestic abuse]]

This subpage covers '''misogyny and domestic abuse''' allegations and related material concerning Whitsitt.

= TFE WiFi Lies =
After returning from [[TFE]] Austin claimed that he was refused access to the WiFi for many hours: 
"They're not giving us the Wi-Fi so like we we got taken away from the camp that has Wi-Fi and then set up a Wi-Fi in our own place but then so we were basically unable to really check in with people unable to like try to quickly do a live stream or anything like that for like many hours you know like a seven eight hours or maybe till the next morning." 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyGnDvmHwzg YouTube link]

Or maybe it was 10-12 hours: 
"I mentioned needing to do wanted to do a live stream and he's like oh do you need the Wi-Fi password so in his mind we would just be out there stranded no Wi-Fi for you know 10 12 hours or whatever" 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhuUAbSpJdU YouTube link]

Or was it 18 hours:
"Information we go out to the other place we set up the star link we get the Wi-Fi uh the globers have the Wi-Fi mun has the Wi-Fi password Mark to set up the attempt to 24-Hour live stream has a password Duffy Does Duffy's going to do a stream at 12's going to do a stream at 2 a.m. and it's like critical think over there on his computer mckean's on his computer everyone's got the Wi-Fi password but they like refus to give the flat earthers the Wi-Fi password and that was the case for like 18 and hours." 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvOKwfRF6I YouTube link]

= Snake Oil Salesman =

Witsit tries to sell snake oil to his viewers. Austin owns the website, [https://aethericstate.com/ Aetheric State], where he sells an electrolyte drink mix. The [https://www.dragonsblends.com/ manufacturer] suggests the drink mix might cure cancer. Witsit charges $160 USD for the mix, however, it costs less than $15 USD to make the exact same drink mix using ingredients bought from the supermarket. [https://globesec.net/posts/whitsitt-aetherade-scam/ Globesec wrote an article] referring to the drink mix as "Aetherade."

= Alleged Substance Abuse at Debate Convention =
Witsit attends 'Debate Cons' as a speaker, but in one instance was noted by onlookers to be singularly unpopular at the VIP lunch afterwards, with event organisers specifically attempting to steer guests to spend time with him at his table:

<blockquote>
[[File:Witsit-alone-again.png|300px|Witsit unable to attract social attention]]
</blockquote>

It is further [https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/1r6qjhu/comment/o5sge31/ alleged] that he returned from a bathroom break, quote "tweaked out of his mind".

= White Supremacism =

Austin co-hosted a podcast entitled 'White Families, White Nation' in 2024 alongside a number of other believers in ethnic and racial determinism such as host Brother Nathaniel. <ref>[https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMdjfjsyATh/ <q>White Families, White Nation Podcast</q>]</ref>

<blockquote>
[[File:Witsit-white-supremacist.png.png|300px|Witsit's white supremacist podcast]]
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
"Whitsitt: You have a problem with Jewish supremacy but white people need to also take responsibility. That's why I said, nobody put a gun to your head and said you can't have babies. No one put a gun to your head and said this take out this loan, no one put a gun to your head and said 'go get addicted to porn'. Those are all weapons of Jewish supremacy. But it requires consent. So individual responsibility, collective responsibility is a major part of it. I think the conversation calling out this power structure IS ALREADY BEING NORMALIZED. Just go look look at X [social media]. It's al-- too late, like, the cat's already out of bag in my opinion. It's much more about collectivizing the reaction. Right, instead of kind of letting it -- get out of control."
</blockquote>

He continues to 'hang out' on social and streaming platforms into 2025 with antisemitic content creators. <ref>[https://rumble.com/v5auerp-witsit-kicks-it-w-brother-nathanael.html <q>Witsit Kicks It w/ Brother Nathanael</q> by WitsitGetsIt]</ref>

<blockquote>
[[File:witsit-antisemitic.png|300px|Rumble podcast between Witsit and Brother Nathaniel]]
</blockquote>

= To Do =
* Document that time Austin posted Fake AI generated references.

= References =

<references />

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:Religiflerfs]]
[[Category:Flerfzis]]
[[Category:Criminals]]
[[Category:TFE Antarctica team]]

McFlatty

2026-06-01T03:13:40Z

Ttguy: yt link

McFlatty is [[MCToon]]'s ugly identical cousin.

Shot to fame with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4kNtT1ZDgk this] scathing criticism of [[Bob Knodel]]

Shelley Lewis

2026-06-01T03:11:27Z

Ttguy: Category:American flerfs

= Shelley Lewis =
Tried to make a Flat Earth Documentary with [[JM Truth]] but they fell out and it was a hilarious drama.
More details to come

[https://youtube.com/shorts/Zmc-kE5fN4k?si=CIFXAQMXIeWF1C-O appearance on jubilee]

== Mask Karen ==

Shelly hit fame for being a viral Covid mask Karen
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l94n1mfeCMo
Woman Wants to Sue Supermarket Over Face Mask Policy | NowThis]

[[Category:American flerfs]]

JM Truth

2026-06-01T03:10:46Z

Ttguy: Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs

{{Infobox
| realName = Joshua Michael Gennari
| image = File:JMTruth2.jpg
| location = USA
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@JMTRUTHTV YouTube] last video Nov 25 2019
}}

= JM Truth =
This man was the genesis of the house keeping question often asked to flat earthers "Is 10 the negative 17 a negative number". That is because of this exchange with JM Truth in a YT video

q: "is 10 to the negative 12 and negative number?"
JM: "What do you mean by negative"
"Yeah it would be a negative number"
10 to the negative 17 is negative 17 10 times. It is basic math
I am well aware of what scientific notation is 10 to the negative 17 is minus 170"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0c-7dVX_c JM Truth - 10^(-17) is a negative number]

(See [[Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs]])

== Claims ==
* Microwaves are sounds
* Pi is 3.5 or 3.75
* Dismantled Newton and Einstein's Theories
* Astronomy is not a science
* Film production is a science
* Can't convert a diameter to a radius
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdmWF3cjYY JM Truth Stupidity - TTguy Reacts]

== Projects ==
* Camera man on [[Shelley Lewis]] flat earth documentary until they fell out.
* SCIENCE 100 SERIES of video lectures on youtube
[[File:JM truth science series.png|300px]]

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Lapsed Flerf]]

Nathan Oakley

2026-06-01T03:09:16Z

Ttguy: /* Other Info - Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs */

{{Infobox
| image = File:NathanOakley.jpg
| caption = TFW his daughter is playing instead of sitting still during "Daddy's shouty time"
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/ YouTube]
| papa = [[Eric Dubay]]
| drinksUrine = Yes
| realName = Paula Oakley's Ward
| alias = Slappy the Clown, Nathan Jokely
| location = Paula's Home
| religiflerf = Just enough to grift
| teeth = Ferengi
| adoptedBy=[[User:BuckSodbuster|BuckSodbuster]]
}}

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Platform !! Account
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@NathanOakley80 <code>@NathanOakley80</code>]
|-
| EBay || [https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/niceplant <code>niceplant</code>]
|}

Started channel in 2010, showing off lifestyle equipment (audio visual, coffee machines etc) with the name "Audio Paula" named after his now wife. Experimented with various guises, including basically pimping out his wife for views and showing sex toys in the background, which Nathan uses exclusively on himself. If OnlyFans were around then, the Flat Earth might not exist as we know it! Quickly moved onto the Flat Earth Grift, and attempted to get into the [[Mark Sargent]] / Patricia Steere crowd, drinking any amount of his own, undiluted urine as necessary. Quick to temper, and a high opinion of his own intelligence, mostly due to the massive chip on his shoulder that he isn't successful, he has somehow managed to distil all of his arguments down into a simple, undisputable (by people who don't give a crap) argument that sounds right and is easy to repeat. Has a central set of notes and talking points he shares with QE and others, but has regularly slipped up and disclosed this is a grift, he doesn't believe a word he says, just chases the argument down to it's incessant, drawn out conclusion of anyone listening just gives up.

Was good friends with fake minicab driver and crayola solicitor Anthony Riley, who invented / pulled from his arse with no supporting materials Relative Density Equilibrium. A theory that explains why things drop, without explaining why items of different density drop at the same speed in a vacuum, or why objects on the ground experience an acceleration of 9.8m/s per second (or friction for that matter).

Regularly fills panel with education dodgers such as Brian's Logic, who never completed his Junior Cert, and has the same chip on his shoulder as his mates left rural Ireland for the big smoke.

As Paula needs to work to ensure they can keep up with the joneses, Nathan is free to hold daily Daddy Day Care sessions. His temper extends to more than just other adults though, his kids better watch out, or a well timed slap is inevitable. Nathan refuses to check out local men's sheds to develop other hobbies.

Lately, has been watching his empire burn as his friends turn their backs on him due to a Word file he is calling a book being held hostage. He is paying Paula to create a new Doc file, and listen to the benign shit he goes on about day after day while Paula actually works. This will probably end in divorce once school starts.

He does not know what he will do when the grift ends, as he is not popular enough to deflect.

== Burned Bridges ==
Oakley is truly a horrid monster, as evidenced by the string of former panel members that he has turned on and is in constant fights with. In no particular Order:
* [[Arwijn]]
* [[Quantum Eraser]]
* [[Adam Meak-In]]
* [[Broin]]
* [[Flatzoid]]
* [[Bev]]
* [[Elderbear]]
* [[JinCBR1]]

== Likes to Call his Critics Ugly ==
When Nathan can’t address a point, he pivots to appearance—calling critics ugly instead of engaging their arguments. It’s a textbook dodge that says more about his position than his opponents.

He forgets that this is his mouth and it is one of the ugliest things on our globe.

[[File:Oakley_teeth.jpg|200px|link={{filepath:Oakley_teeth.jpg}}]]

== Wishing Self-Harm to Others ==
Nathan has repeatedly told opponents to harm themselves during disagreements. This behavior is documented across numerous instances in recorded debates/comments, including direct statements such as this:

[[File:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg|400px|link={{filepath:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg}}]]

== Flerf Mass ==
Nathan's daily show is modeled after a Catholic mass where he has a challenge-response with the panel.

If any acolytes besmirch the Oakley they may be assigned a number of Hail Oakleys as penance. 
[[File:Hail_Oakley.png|800px]]

== That time he admitted the earth is a globe ==
This was a conversation between him and Anthony Riley:

[[File:NathanOakleyAdmitsGlobe.png]]

== Nathan's Response to Appear on "The Drunk Debunk Show" to promote his "book"==
<blockquote>
Dear ugly dweeb cunt thief with a shite YouTube channel.

"I have Oakleys book, want me to send it"

"Yes send it me please"

So, you want to help me feed my kids by asking (not paying for) a book that is yet to be released be sent to you for free from a troll in your chat?? My book isn't out yet you dumb motherfucker shit for brains who believes anything he's told!

I'd love to flush your fuck ugly, thieving dweeb head down the toilet like the kids at your school used to do to you. You look like the type of person that often got beaten up just for being you, and based on your disingenuous message and willingness to steel from me, I can understand why.

Go find a tall building and use yourself to prove gravity with it! You can use the flat earth measurement of altitude from sea level to know how high you are when you do so. This will help prevent the world getting populated with other dumbfuck thieves, who believe everything that are told and are willing to steal from a family man.

If I wanted to talk to a fuck ugly, thieving dweeb cunt, I'd be the one proactively contacting you! You are a dumb, no name twat! "Sold exposure" you are total fucking nobody and completely delusional!

Let me know when you jump so I can continue not giving a fuck about you or what you do as nobody watches.

Feel free to join my live (door is open to cunts like you) show and maybe we'll build some actual rapport, or maybe you'll get your head flushed live for my audience and their appreciation of watching a no name wanker pirate get a metaphorical shit kicking by a real man. If you need a free copy of my book, feel free to beg me for it like you begged the bullies to stop beating you up!

Yours Faithfully

Nathan
</blockquote>

When asked for comment, TDDS considered this a "Maybe" and is still hoping Nathan comes through in the end.
== Other Info ==
* Constantly goes [[flerf-on-flerf]] with everyone.
* Shares a Discord server with [[Quantum Eraser]].
* Was [https://youtu.be/Ldx_XV02Oec heard beating his children] while his mic was on.
* Wonders how his balls taste.
* Has personal prove of the dome.
* Unable to convert meters to kilometers <ref>the 6min mark in [https://youtu.be/7IFaqezQj44?si=u3eFCFc9S_0KFjGG&t=360 this] video</ref>
see [[Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs]]

* Is a bender when he skates
* Has “no issue with” the [[Wikipedia:Nigger|N-word]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/wLKlhELvbeM?t=1401 23:21 Oakley using the N-word, <q>Flat Earth Debate 2321 LIVE Politics</q> by NathanOakley1980]</ref>
* loves the mute button but finds it hard to do when debating live <ref>[https://youtu.be/cW4lc5bX6Hk?si=0jt0IuD0BdaRZ-sM see this] video</ref>

= References =
<references/>

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Papa flerfs]]
[[Category:Criminals]]
[[Category: British flerfs]]

Housekeeping Questions For Flerfs

2026-06-01T03:08:12Z

Ttguy: create page

So globe proponents have come up with some basic questions to ask flerfs when they enter a debate.

1. Is 10 to the negative 17 a negative number? <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0c-7dVX_c JM Truth - 10^(-17) is a negative number]</ref>

2. On a triangle sides 1, 1 and 1 what are the internal angles?

3. How do you convert meters to kilometers? <ref>Nathan Oakley at the 6min mark in [https://youtu.be/7IFaqezQj44?si=u3eFCFc9S_0KFjGG&t=360 this] video</ref>

These questions come from flerph folklaw where various flat earth proponents have failed to be able to answer them.

Mark Braun

2026-06-01T02:43:24Z

Ttguy: Category:American flerfs

{{Infobox
| realName = Mark Braun
| alias = Satan
| location = Florida
| image=File:Mark Braun.png
}}

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lam37wFT0WA McToon video] on Mark Braun

Mark Braun is a flat earther that thinks he is Satan.

[[Category:American flerfs]]

Mark Braun

2026-06-01T02:39:51Z

Ttguy: Created page with " {{Infobox | realName = Mark Braun | alias = Satan | location = Florida | image=File:Mark Braun.png }} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lam37wFT0WA McToon video] on Mark Braun Mark Braun is a flat earther that thinks he is Satan."

File:Mark Braun.png

2026-06-01T02:39:04Z

Ttguy: from Toon video

== Summary ==
from Toon video

Rasa Viharii

2026-06-01T02:29:13Z

Ttguy: /* Debates space radiation debate*/

{{Infobox
| realName = Russell Jay Robinson
| alias = Rasa Viharii
| image = File:Rasa mug shot.png|
| location = Xichang University - China
| platform = YouTube
| papa = Not a Flerf
| antisemite = yes
| religiflerf = no
| drinksUrine = Unknown
| adoptedBy = Ttguy
}}

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Known Accounts
|-
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@themoonlandinghoax themoonlandinghoax] || '''Active'''
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@zeropointinstitute zeropointinstitute] || Active
|-
| [https://www.facebook.com FaceBook] || [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100065351671446 逍遥子] || Inactive
|}
= Debates =
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUgf480LcA&lc=UgxOZJ1fjaxhVpIGOEZ4AaABAg Rasa Debate on Modern Day Debates vs Mc Toon]

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEzHYlBVd0 Rasa Debate vs TheTTguy on Moon landing and space radiation]

= Moonlanding denial =
"Brother Rasaviharii" claims that Apollo missions were faked, but does accept the Artemis I mission was real, as is the Artemis II mission, however he claims that all 4 astronauts will die:

[[File:Rasaviharii_claiming_all_4_Artemis_II_astronauts_will_die.png]]

== Credentials ==

Rasaviharii claims to be an expert in quantum mechanics, the foremost expert in all of China, in fact <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_Ehp-ScGI Rasa Virhari claiming to be the Premier Quantum Physicist in China]</ref>. He claims to work for the Chinese Government. Or maybe just the Chinese space agency <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clK4arZoo_M Virhari Bio in his own words.]</ref>. Or maybe he's just a contractor. Or maybe he is a teacher at a school in China. The story is fluid.

Rasaviharii sometimes claims to have more education than he actually has. According to the Office of the registrar at Portland State University he graduated June 13, 1999 with a Bachelor of Science in Science, with no additional minors.

[[File:Rasaviharii_Credentials_from_Portland_State_University_redacted.jpg]]

== Other Info ==
Likes to play the Pedo Accusation Gambit

[[File:Rasa calling someone a pedo.png|300px]]

= References =

<references />

[[Category:MoonHoaxTard]]
[[Category:Pedo Accusation Gambit]]

Rasa Viharii

2026-06-01T02:27:29Z

Ttguy: Pedo Accusation Gambit

{{Infobox
| realName = Russell Jay Robinson
| alias = Rasa Viharii
| image = File:Rasa mug shot.png|
| location = Xichang University - China
| platform = YouTube
| papa = Not a Flerf
| antisemite = yes
| religiflerf = no
| drinksUrine = Unknown
| adoptedBy = Ttguy
}}

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Known Accounts
|-
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@themoonlandinghoax themoonlandinghoax] || '''Active'''
|-
| [https://www.youtube.com YouTube] || [https://www.youtube.com/@zeropointinstitute zeropointinstitute] || Active
|-
| [https://www.facebook.com FaceBook] || [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100065351671446 逍遥子] || Inactive
|}
= Debates =
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUgf480LcA&lc=UgxOZJ1fjaxhVpIGOEZ4AaABAg Rasa Debate on Modern Day Debates vs Mc Toon]

= Moonlanding denial =
"Brother Rasaviharii" claims that Apollo missions were faked, but does accept the Artemis I mission was real, as is the Artemis II mission, however he claims that all 4 astronauts will die:

[[File:Rasaviharii_claiming_all_4_Artemis_II_astronauts_will_die.png]]

== Credentials ==

Rasaviharii claims to be an expert in quantum mechanics, the foremost expert in all of China, in fact <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_Ehp-ScGI Rasa Virhari claiming to be the Premier Quantum Physicist in China]</ref>. He claims to work for the Chinese Government. Or maybe just the Chinese space agency <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clK4arZoo_M Virhari Bio in his own words.]</ref>. Or maybe he's just a contractor. Or maybe he is a teacher at a school in China. The story is fluid.

Rasaviharii sometimes claims to have more education than he actually has. According to the Office of the registrar at Portland State University he graduated June 13, 1999 with a Bachelor of Science in Science, with no additional minors.

[[File:Rasaviharii_Credentials_from_Portland_State_University_redacted.jpg]]

== Other Info ==
Likes to play the Pedo Accusation Gambit

[[File:Rasa calling someone a pedo.png|300px]]

= References =

<references />

[[Category:MoonHoaxTard]]
[[Category:Pedo Accusation Gambit]]

File:Rasa calling someone a pedo.png

2026-06-01T02:24:36Z

Ttguy: correspondence between Rasa Vihari and TTguy

== Summary ==
correspondence between Rasa Vihari and TTguy

Jeffrey Rogers

2026-06-01T02:21:39Z

Ttguy: create page

{{Infobox
| realName = Jeffery Rogers
| location = USA
| platform = Facebook

}}

Flat earther Jeffery Rogers claims to be a land surveyor and that he works for American Layout & Land Surveying, LLC.

Likes to play the Pedo Accusation Gambit

[https://mctoon.net/jeffrey-rogers-land-surveyor/ Jeffery Rogers on McToon.net]

[[File:Jeffery rogers accusation.png]]

[https://www.facebook.com/jeffery.rogers.246016 Jeffery Rogers - Face book]

[[Category:Pedo Accusation Gambit]]
[[Category:American flerfs]]

File:Jeffery rogers accusation.png

2026-06-01T02:15:13Z

Ttguy: Jeffery_rogers ex mctoon .net

== Summary ==
Jeffery_rogers ex mctoon .net

Category:Pedo Accusation Gambit

2026-06-01T02:09:46Z

Ttguy: create category

This category lists Flerfs that have been known to make baseless accusations that their interloculator in the debate is a child abuser. This is a disturbingly common tactic of the flerf.

Dustin Nemos

2026-06-01T02:08:13Z

Ttguy: new category Pedo Accusation Gambit

{{Infobox
| realName = Unverified (Dustin Krieger)
| image = File:Dustinnemos.jpg
| location = US
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@TheDustinNemos YouTube]
| antisemite = yes
| religiflerf = yes
}}

= Dustin Nemos =

'''Dustin Nemos''', whose purported real name is Dustin Krieger, is a U.S.-based conspiracy theorist and content creator known for promoting flat Earth theories and other controversial views.

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@TheDustinNemos @TheDustinNemos] || Active
|}

== Website ==
* [https://nemosnewsnetwork.com/ Nemos News Network]

== Other Info ==
* Identified as a conspiracy theorist and rabid antisemite. [https://www.adl.org/resources/report/adl-crowdfunding-report-how-bigots-and-extremists-collect-and-use-millions-online ''ADL Report on Crowdfunding by Bigots and Extremists'']
* Promoted and sold colloidal silver as a supposed preventative treatment for COVID-19, despite FDA warnings about its safety and effectiveness. [https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/qanon-grifter-dustin-nemos-was-selling-colloidal-silver-supposed-coronavirus ''Media Matters Report on Colloidal Silver'']
* Shutdown on Modern Day Debates when he played the Pedo accusation gambit <ref>[https://youtube.com/shorts/jtWWfto7wqc?si=JCfku-CGRlEXU9y7 youtube short]</ref>

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Religiflerfs]]
[[Category:Flerfzis]]
[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:Pedo Accusation Gambit]]

Dustin Nemos

2026-06-01T02:06:54Z

Ttguy: /* Other Info - player of pedo card */

Nathan Oakley

2026-05-31T13:18:12Z

Ttguy: /* Other Info mute not work in RL*/

{{Infobox
| image = File:NathanOakley.jpg
| caption = TFW his daughter is playing instead of sitting still during "Daddy's shouty time"
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/ YouTube]
| papa = [[Eric Dubay]]
| drinksUrine = Yes
| realName = Paula Oakley's Ward
| alias = Slappy the Clown, Nathan Jokely
| location = Paula's Home
| religiflerf = Just enough to grift
| teeth = Ferengi
| adoptedBy=[[User:BuckSodbuster|BuckSodbuster]]
}}

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Platform !! Account
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@NathanOakley80 <code>@NathanOakley80</code>]
|-
| EBay || [https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/niceplant <code>niceplant</code>]
|}

Started channel in 2010, showing off lifestyle equipment (audio visual, coffee machines etc) with the name "Audio Paula" named after his now wife. Experimented with various guises, including basically pimping out his wife for views and showing sex toys in the background, which Nathan uses exclusively on himself. If OnlyFans were around then, the Flat Earth might not exist as we know it! Quickly moved onto the Flat Earth Grift, and attempted to get into the [[Mark Sargent]] / Patricia Steere crowd, drinking any amount of his own, undiluted urine as necessary. Quick to temper, and a high opinion of his own intelligence, mostly due to the massive chip on his shoulder that he isn't successful, he has somehow managed to distil all of his arguments down into a simple, undisputable (by people who don't give a crap) argument that sounds right and is easy to repeat. Has a central set of notes and talking points he shares with QE and others, but has regularly slipped up and disclosed this is a grift, he doesn't believe a word he says, just chases the argument down to it's incessant, drawn out conclusion of anyone listening just gives up.

Was good friends with fake minicab driver and crayola solicitor Anthony Riley, who invented / pulled from his arse with no supporting materials Relative Density Equilibrium. A theory that explains why things drop, without explaining why items of different density drop at the same speed in a vacuum, or why objects on the ground experience an acceleration of 9.8m/s per second (or friction for that matter).

Regularly fills panel with education dodgers such as Brian's Logic, who never completed his Junior Cert, and has the same chip on his shoulder as his mates left rural Ireland for the big smoke.

As Paula needs to work to ensure they can keep up with the joneses, Nathan is free to hold daily Daddy Day Care sessions. His temper extends to more than just other adults though, his kids better watch out, or a well timed slap is inevitable. Nathan refuses to check out local men's sheds to develop other hobbies.

Lately, has been watching his empire burn as his friends turn their backs on him due to a Word file he is calling a book being held hostage. He is paying Paula to create a new Doc file, and listen to the benign shit he goes on about day after day while Paula actually works. This will probably end in divorce once school starts.

He does not know what he will do when the grift ends, as he is not popular enough to deflect.

== Burned Bridges ==
Oakley is truly a horrid monster, as evidenced by the string of former panel members that he has turned on and is in constant fights with. In no particular Order:
* [[Arwijn]]
* [[Quantum Eraser]]
* [[Adam Meak-In]]
* [[Broin]]
* [[Flatzoid]]
* [[Bev]]
* [[Elderbear]]
* [[JinCBR1]]

== Likes to Call his Critics Ugly ==
When Nathan can’t address a point, he pivots to appearance—calling critics ugly instead of engaging their arguments. It’s a textbook dodge that says more about his position than his opponents.

He forgets that this is his mouth and it is one of the ugliest things on our globe.

[[File:Oakley_teeth.jpg|200px|link={{filepath:Oakley_teeth.jpg}}]]

== Wishing Self-Harm to Others ==
Nathan has repeatedly told opponents to harm themselves during disagreements. This behavior is documented across numerous instances in recorded debates/comments, including direct statements such as this:

[[File:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg|400px|link={{filepath:Oakley_self_delete.jpeg}}]]

== Flerf Mass ==
Nathan's daily show is modeled after a Catholic mass where he has a challenge-response with the panel.

If any acolytes besmirch the Oakley they may be assigned a number of Hail Oakleys as penance. 
[[File:Hail_Oakley.png|800px]]

== That time he admitted the earth is a globe ==
This was a conversation between him and Anthony Riley:

[[File:NathanOakleyAdmitsGlobe.png]]

== Nathan's Response to Appear on "The Drunk Debunk Show" to promote his "book"==
<blockquote>
Dear ugly dweeb cunt thief with a shite YouTube channel.

"I have Oakleys book, want me to send it"

"Yes send it me please"

So, you want to help me feed my kids by asking (not paying for) a book that is yet to be released be sent to you for free from a troll in your chat?? My book isn't out yet you dumb motherfucker shit for brains who believes anything he's told!

I'd love to flush your fuck ugly, thieving dweeb head down the toilet like the kids at your school used to do to you. You look like the type of person that often got beaten up just for being you, and based on your disingenuous message and willingness to steel from me, I can understand why.

Go find a tall building and use yourself to prove gravity with it! You can use the flat earth measurement of altitude from sea level to know how high you are when you do so. This will help prevent the world getting populated with other dumbfuck thieves, who believe everything that are told and are willing to steal from a family man.

If I wanted to talk to a fuck ugly, thieving dweeb cunt, I'd be the one proactively contacting you! You are a dumb, no name twat! "Sold exposure" you are total fucking nobody and completely delusional!

Let me know when you jump so I can continue not giving a fuck about you or what you do as nobody watches.

Feel free to join my live (door is open to cunts like you) show and maybe we'll build some actual rapport, or maybe you'll get your head flushed live for my audience and their appreciation of watching a no name wanker pirate get a metaphorical shit kicking by a real man. If you need a free copy of my book, feel free to beg me for it like you begged the bullies to stop beating you up!

Yours Faithfully

Nathan
</blockquote>

When asked for comment, TDDS considered this a "Maybe" and is still hoping Nathan comes through in the end.
== Other Info ==
* Constantly goes [[flerf-on-flerf]] with everyone.
* Shares a Discord server with [[Quantum Eraser]].
* Was [https://youtu.be/Ldx_XV02Oec heard beating his children] while his mic was on.
* Wonders how his balls taste.
* Has personal prove of the dome.
* Unable to convert meters to kilometers <ref>the 6min mark in [https://youtu.be/7IFaqezQj44?si=u3eFCFc9S_0KFjGG&t=360 this] video</ref>
* Is a bender when he skates
* Has “no issue with” the [[Wikipedia:Nigger|N-word]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/wLKlhELvbeM?t=1401 23:21 Oakley using the N-word, <q>Flat Earth Debate 2321 LIVE Politics</q> by NathanOakley1980]</ref>
* loves the mute button but finds it hard to do when debating live <ref>[https://youtu.be/cW4lc5bX6Hk?si=0jt0IuD0BdaRZ-sM see this] video</ref>

= References =
<references/>

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:Papa flerfs]]
[[Category:Criminals]]
[[Category: British flerfs]]

Do you even science bro?

2026-05-28T10:44:06Z

Ttguy: not lapsed. Activity on other accounts

{{Infobox
| realName = Simon J Ramos
| image = File:Doyouevensciencebro.jpg
| location = US
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@doyouevensciencebro..6678 YouTube]
}}

= Do You Even Science Bro..? =

'''Do You Even Science Bro..?''' is a YouTube channel based in the United States, focusing on various topics, including network configurations and discussions on scientific concepts.

The irony with this case is that we have a man who installs satellite TV dishes that believes the earth is flat.

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@doyouevensciencebro..6678 @doyouevensciencebro..6678] || Inactive (last video 10 Sep 2024)
|-
| FaceBook || [https://www.facebook.com/simon.j.ramos.2025 Simon.J.Ramos] || profile is locked
|-
| FaceBook || [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61566341992210 Tuntun Tintan] || Flerph activity detected Feb 2026
|-
| FaceBook || [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61565739992395 Javi Erramos] ||
|}

== Other Info ==
* As of January 5, 2025, the channel has 76 subscribers and 124 videos.

== Face Book Career ==
Simon J Ramos has a long flurf history on facebook. Where he considered himself a gangster character

[[File:SimonJRamos in bullet proof vest.jpg|200px]]

[[ File:Simon Ramos self confessed criminal2.jpg|400px]]

One of his groups was not-so-affectionately known as Simons Sewer and Simons nick name was Simon Rimarse.

He ran a group with the name The Original Flat Earth vs Sphere Earth - now defunct.

You would know you were in a Simon group because he would pepper his posts with stupid cartoons like this [[File:Simon ramos cartoon.png|500px]]

He calls everyone "catholic" (in lower case, but he probably means the Roman Catholic Church, where it's capitalized, not "universal" or "wide-ranging") for some reason, most recently Isaac Newton (who was officially a member of the Church of England but didn't take holy orders because he came to reject the Trinity).

He also likes to add "be gay" and "derp" to the images he posts.

[[File:Simon ramos gayderp.jpg|500px]]

This is from a video where he says "Waaah, I'm on a globe"

[[File:Simon ramos waaah.png|300px]]

Here's an AI action figure someone made.

[[File:Simon ramos action.jpg|400px]]

== Notable Appearances ==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLn6gskniw MC Toon Live The most offensive flat earther wants to debate. Warning: Simon's language is vile]

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:Facebook flerfs]]
[[Category:Criminals]]

Do you even science bro?

2026-05-28T10:43:29Z

Ttguy: /* Known Accounts - is still active flerph*/

Do you even science bro?

2026-05-28T10:36:15Z

Ttguy: /* Face Book Career image sizes*/

{{Infobox
| realName = Simon J Ramos
| image = File:Doyouevensciencebro.jpg
| location = US
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@doyouevensciencebro..6678 YouTube]
}}

= Do You Even Science Bro..? =

'''Do You Even Science Bro..?''' is a YouTube channel based in the United States, focusing on various topics, including network configurations and discussions on scientific concepts.

The irony with this case is that we have a man who installs satellite TV dishes that believes the earth is flat.

== Known Accounts ==
{| class="wikitable"
! Platform !! Account !! Status
|-
| YouTube || [https://www.youtube.com/@doyouevensciencebro..6678 @doyouevensciencebro..6678] || Inactive (last video 10 Sep 2024)
|-
| FaceBook || [https://www.facebook.com/simon.j.ramos.2025 Simon.J.Ramos] || profile is locked
|-
| FaceBook || [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61566341992210 Tuntun Tintan] ||
|-
| FaceBook || [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61565739992395 Javi Erramos] ||
|}

== Other Info ==
* As of January 5, 2025, the channel has 76 subscribers and 124 videos.

== Face Book Career ==
Simon J Ramos has a long flurf history on facebook. Where he considered himself a gangster character

[[File:SimonJRamos in bullet proof vest.jpg|200px]]

[[ File:Simon Ramos self confessed criminal2.jpg|400px]]

One of his groups was not-so-affectionately known as Simons Sewer and Simons nick name was Simon Rimarse.

He ran a group with the name The Original Flat Earth vs Sphere Earth - now defunct.

You would know you were in a Simon group because he would pepper his posts with stupid cartoons like this [[File:Simon ramos cartoon.png|500px]]

He calls everyone "catholic" (in lower case, but he probably means the Roman Catholic Church, where it's capitalized, not "universal" or "wide-ranging") for some reason, most recently Isaac Newton (who was officially a member of the Church of England but didn't take holy orders because he came to reject the Trinity).

He also likes to add "be gay" and "derp" to the images he posts.

[[File:Simon ramos gayderp.jpg|500px]]

This is from a video where he says "Waaah, I'm on a globe"

[[File:Simon ramos waaah.png|300px]]

Here's an AI action figure someone made.

[[File:Simon ramos action.jpg|400px]]

== Notable Appearances ==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLn6gskniw MC Toon Live The most offensive flat earther wants to debate. Warning: Simon's language is vile]

[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]
[[Category:American flerfs]]
[[Category:Lapsed Flerf]]
[[Category:Facebook flerfs]]
[[Category:Criminals]]

Solipsisms

2026-05-28T10:32:45Z

Ttguy: /* "Debate" with Dr. Blitz 1st law of flerph*/

{{Infobox
| realName =
| alias= Solipsisms Soli Temu Witsit Solied Himself Sulky Nathan WitSpit Jr Soil WitSpit Echo WitSpit Shadow Temu Puppet Temu Sooky Sooky La La Soiled Himself Parrot WitSpit
| image = File:Solipsisms1.webp
| location = US
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@Solipsisms YouTube] [https://x.com/Solipsisms__ X] [https://www.tiktok.com/@solipsisms_ TikTok]
| papa = [[Austin Witsit]]
| antisemite =
| religiflerf = No
| drinksUrine = never been falsified
}}

'''Solipsisms''' ('''Soli'''), sometimes referred to as '''Soiled Himself''', is a flerf active on TikTok and somewhat active on YouTube.

He is like 7-11. His mouth is always open, but never says anything.

He is a piss-ant of flat earth.

Throws fallacies at his opponent left right and centre, but comes with zero proof for flat earth, and nit picks globe earth. To be fair thats all flerfs have.

Typical Gen Z flerf with no proof for their cult belief, relies on ChatGPT for backup, and spews garbage that insults everyday people. And to top it off, get triggered you dont fall for their shitè when you continually dismiss their crap.

Had to rent a Hotel room for the debate with MCToon. Family and friends are so proudz of you boi. Maybe one day they will let you move up to big boy pantz bro.

== Notable Appearances==
*[https://www.youtube.com/live/cbBOT0pWHko?si=7ywKgGwBHb2lzayF debate vs MCToon]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ApvLdPQQd4 debate vs Dr. Blitz]

=="Debate" with Dr. Blitz==
Solied Himself had arguably the biggest 'Crash and Burns' in flerf history when debating [https://www.youtube.com/@blitzphd Dr. Blitz]. Sucks to be you Soiled Himself.

During the debate with [https://www.youtube.com/@blitzphd DrBlitz] on May 26, 2026, Soiled himself pulled out classic flerf 101 tactics, and went straight to Rule No. 1, [https://www.youtube.com/live/eXvd9O7HRl8?si=sk4HTqhcKy0QyXmf&t=1441 Gotta Lie To Flerf].

You see, what Soiled Himself is trying to do here, is fool Dr Blitz into going straight to page 11, where it says the words "flat earth", and use that as proof the Earth is flat. Dr Blitz is too smart for this, and begins reading the document from the beginning, found [https://evansengsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Ben-Evans-Presentation.pdf here], and catches Soiled Himself out spectacularly.

[[File:Ben Evans Solipsisms ref.png|thumb|left|500px|Image from the Reference Soiled used to justify claim that microwaves to not refract]]
<hr style="clear:both;">
Classic example of the First [[Laws_of_Flerf|law of Flerf]] in action.

I mean, this is arguably the biggest and best Smackdown's in living history.

[[Category:TikTok flerfs]]
[[Category:1st Law of Flerf]]

File:Ben Evans Solipsisms ref.png

2026-05-28T10:27:24Z

Ttguy: Reference Solipsisms presented to argue that microwaves do not get refracted. First law of flerph

== Summary ==
Reference Solipsisms presented to argue that microwaves do not get refracted. First law of flerph

Solipsisms

2026-05-28T10:24:16Z

Ttguy: Category:1st Law of Flerf

{{Infobox
| realName =
| alias= Solipsisms Soli Temu Witsit Solied Himself Sulky Nathan WitSpit Jr Soil WitSpit Echo WitSpit Shadow Temu Puppet Temu Sooky Sooky La La Soiled Himself Parrot WitSpit
| image = File:Solipsisms1.webp
| location = US
| platform = [https://www.youtube.com/@Solipsisms YouTube] [https://x.com/Solipsisms__ X] [https://www.tiktok.com/@solipsisms_ TikTok]
| papa = [[Austin Witsit]]
| antisemite =
| religiflerf = No
| drinksUrine = never been falsified
}}

'''Solipsisms''' ('''Soli'''), sometimes referred to as '''Soiled Himself''', is a flerf active on TikTok and somewhat active on YouTube.

He is like 7-11. His mouth is always open, but never says anything.

He is a piss-ant of flat earth.

Throws fallacies at his opponent left right and centre, but comes with zero proof for flat earth, and nit picks globe earth. To be fair thats all flerfs have.

Typical Gen Z flerf with no proof for their cult belief, relies on ChatGPT for backup, and spews garbage that insults everyday people. And to top it off, get triggered you dont fall for their shitè when you continually dismiss their crap.

Had to rent a Hotel room for the debate with MCToon. Family and friends are so proudz of you boi. Maybe one day they will let you move up to big boy pantz bro.

== Notable Appearances==
*[https://www.youtube.com/live/cbBOT0pWHko?si=7ywKgGwBHb2lzayF debate vs MCToon]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ApvLdPQQd4 debate vs Dr. Blitz]

=="Debate" with Dr. Blitz==
Solied Himself had arguably the biggest 'Crash and Burns' in flerf history when debating [https://www.youtube.com/@blitzphd Dr. Blitz]. Sucks to be you Soiled Himself.

During the debate with [https://www.youtube.com/@blitzphd DrBlitz] on May 26, 2026, Soiled himself pulled out classic flerf 101 tactics, and went straight to Rule No. 1, [https://www.youtube.com/live/eXvd9O7HRl8?si=sk4HTqhcKy0QyXmf&t=1441 Gotta Lie To Flerf].

You see, what Soiled Himself is trying to do here, is fool Dr Blitz into going straight to page 11, where it says the words "flat earth", and use that as proof the Earth is flat. Dr Blitz is too smart for this, and begins reading the document from the beginning, found [https://evansengsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Ben-Evans-Presentation.pdf here], and catches Soiled Himself out spectacularly.

I mean, this is arguably the biggest and best Smackdown's in living history.

[[Category:TikTok flerfs]]
[[Category:1st Law of Flerf]]

Laws of Flerf

2026-05-28T10:22:52Z

Ttguy: /* Examples */

[[:Category:Flerfs|Flerfs]] are generally [[Wikipedia:Bad faith|bad faith]] [[Wikipedia:Cult|cultists]]; over other population segments, they disproportionately exhibit lying, abuse, threats/bullying, harassment, [[Wikipedia:Mental disorder|mental illness]], [[:Category:Flerfzis|antisemitism]], and [[:Category:Criminals|breaking the law]].

This gives rise to the adage: '''''Gotta lie to flerf,''''' which is formalized with more detail in the list below.

= Formal List =

# Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions.
# Flerf challenges are fake. Two exceptions.
# Flerfs are pseudoscientists when evaluating FE and science deniers when evaluating globe evidence. No exceptions.
# Every attempt to flerf-explain a phenomenon contradicts flerf-explanations of some other phenomena. No exceptions.

= Proposed Addenda =
There is a proposed fifth law that has not yet gained formal status:

<ol start="5"><li>Every flerf claim about glober character or rhetoric is a self-report, actually describing flerf character and rhetoric.</li></ol>

= Examples =
Flerf citations - [[:Category:1st Law of Flerf]]

Flerf challenges - [[:Category:2nd Law of Flerf]]

= See Also =
* [[:Category:Bad faith showcase]]
* [[Rowbothamism]]
* [[:Category:Flerf lies]]

= Exceptions to laws of Flerf =
* Flat earther [[Steve from England]] challenged Critical Think to record his travel to Australia after [[The Final Experiment]] and paid.
* Flat earther [[Steve from England]] issued an open challenge to prove what [[Jeran Campanella]] said while talking about the path of the sun during [[The Final Experiment]] and paid.

[[Category:Flerf sociology]]

Laws of Flerf

2026-05-28T10:22:10Z

Ttguy: /* Examples Category:2nd Law of Flerf */

[[:Category:Flerfs|Flerfs]] are generally [[Wikipedia:Bad faith|bad faith]] [[Wikipedia:Cult|cultists]]; over other population segments, they disproportionately exhibit lying, abuse, threats/bullying, harassment, [[Wikipedia:Mental disorder|mental illness]], [[:Category:Flerfzis|antisemitism]], and [[:Category:Criminals|breaking the law]].

This gives rise to the adage: '''''Gotta lie to flerf,''''' which is formalized with more detail in the list below.

= Formal List =

# Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions.
# Flerf challenges are fake. Two exceptions.
# Flerfs are pseudoscientists when evaluating FE and science deniers when evaluating globe evidence. No exceptions.
# Every attempt to flerf-explain a phenomenon contradicts flerf-explanations of some other phenomena. No exceptions.

= Proposed Addenda =
There is a proposed fifth law that has not yet gained formal status:

<ol start="5"><li>Every flerf claim about glober character or rhetoric is a self-report, actually describing flerf character and rhetoric.</li></ol>

= Examples =
[[:Category:1st Law of Flerf]]

[[:Category:2nd Law of Flerf]]

= See Also =
* [[:Category:Bad faith showcase]]
* [[Rowbothamism]]
* [[:Category:Flerf lies]]

= Exceptions to laws of Flerf =
* Flat earther [[Steve from England]] challenged Critical Think to record his travel to Australia after [[The Final Experiment]] and paid.
* Flat earther [[Steve from England]] issued an open challenge to prove what [[Jeran Campanella]] said while talking about the path of the sun during [[The Final Experiment]] and paid.

[[Category:Flerf sociology]]

Laws of Flerf

2026-05-28T10:20:57Z

Ttguy: Category:1st Law of Flerf

[[:Category:Flerfs|Flerfs]] are generally [[Wikipedia:Bad faith|bad faith]] [[Wikipedia:Cult|cultists]]; over other population segments, they disproportionately exhibit lying, abuse, threats/bullying, harassment, [[Wikipedia:Mental disorder|mental illness]], [[:Category:Flerfzis|antisemitism]], and [[:Category:Criminals|breaking the law]].

This gives rise to the adage: '''''Gotta lie to flerf,''''' which is formalized with more detail in the list below.

= Formal List =

# Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions.
# Flerf challenges are fake. Two exceptions.
# Flerfs are pseudoscientists when evaluating FE and science deniers when evaluating globe evidence. No exceptions.
# Every attempt to flerf-explain a phenomenon contradicts flerf-explanations of some other phenomena. No exceptions.

= Proposed Addenda =
There is a proposed fifth law that has not yet gained formal status:

<ol start="5"><li>Every flerf claim about glober character or rhetoric is a self-report, actually describing flerf character and rhetoric.</li></ol>

= Examples =
[[:Category:1st Law of Flerf]]

= See Also =
* [[:Category:Bad faith showcase]]
* [[Rowbothamism]]
* [[:Category:Flerf lies]]

= Exceptions to laws of Flerf =
* Flat earther [[Steve from England]] challenged Critical Think to record his travel to Australia after [[The Final Experiment]] and paid.
* Flat earther [[Steve from England]] issued an open challenge to prove what [[Jeran Campanella]] said while talking about the path of the sun during [[The Final Experiment]] and paid.

[[Category:Flerf sociology]]

User talk:SourPounder

2026-05-27T09:53:57Z

Ttguy: greetings

See https://www.flerf.info/index.php/How_to_add_a_Flerf#copy_and_paste_template on how you could have added this flerf.
And view the sources of other pages to get a feeling on how this wiki functions. Direct use of HTML isn't the way in almost any case.

Hope you will stick around and enjoy some collaboration. :)

Thank you (not sure if I am even doing this reply correctly).

I simply followed How to add a flerf from main page, and it said mandatory: use the infobox template. I think I got confused. We run to our own beat down under......ha ah ha.

Thank you for the kind advice. Cheers

I have added some info, can you spare a moment to check please. Thank you.

Hi Mr Pounder.
To use talk pages you can sign your comments with 4 tildes.
I like the joke "I am not gay but I once fucked a man who was." I guess it is the same joke.
[[User:Ttguy|Ttguy]] ([[User talk:Ttguy|talk]]) 05:53, 27 May 2026 (EDT)

Flerfspective

2026-05-25T12:50:45Z

Ttguy: /* Gallery of Memes */

[[File:Early Flerfspective Diagram.png|thumb|right|400px|One of the first flerfspective diagrams, drawn ca. 1865 by [[Wikipedia:Samuel Rowbotham|Samuel Rowbotham]]]]

[[File:Flerfspective 2016.png|thumb|right|400px|Screenshot from a modern animated diagram ca. 2016]]

'''Flerfspective''' is a term for the butchered mess that [[:Category:Flerfs|flerfs]] make out of [[Wikipedia:Perspective (graphical)|linear perspective]] when using it to explain:
* [[Wikipedia:Sunset|sunset]]
* [[Wikipedia:Hull down|hull down ships]]
* [[Wikipedia:Celestial navigation|star elevation angles]]
* why we can't see China from directly over America
* ''a variety of other phenomena''

Flerfs that realise the painfully obvious flaws with using flerfspective to explain the above phenomena will sometimes resort to [[Flerfraction|flerfraction]].

= Vanishing Point Issue =

A key misunderstanding is that flerfs think the [[Wikipedia:Vanishing point|'''vanishing point''']] lies at a [[Wikipedia:Glossary of mathematical jargon#finite|finite]] distance from the observer, when it's actually [[Wikipedia:Infinity|infinite]].

The elevation angle of Rowbotham's sun would decrease as it moves away horizontally, but an elevation of 0° is the
[[Wikipedia:Limit (mathematics)|infinitesimal limit]] of this series.

In other words: the sun '''could recede horizontally forever, but could still never actually reach 0° elevation.'''

Without this limit, a flat and level floor beneath an observer would be able to block his line of sight to an object that's above him, which is [[Wikipedia:Reductio ad absurdum|patently absurd]].

= Rhetoric =

Despite extravagant, ongoing efforts among globers to explain the above issue, to date apparently no flerf has ever comprehended it (except [[:Category:Ex-flerfs|ex-flerfs]]).

When confronted on it, flerfs generally become chaos gremlins and rebut with statements like:
* "The atmosphere [[Flerfraction|magnifies things]]."<ref>https://youtu.be/tflhWwoqWAw?t=7m40s</ref>
* "Using an orthographic diagram to explain perspective is a category error."<ref>https://www.youtube.com/live/DypTjkfLDY8?t=1h0m18s</ref>
* "Math is a language, and can be used to lie just like any other language."
* [[Curved visual space|"We see in hyperbolic geometry, not Euclidean."]]<ref>https://youtu.be/T7Ge9wW58Lk?t=5m0s</ref>
* ''... and many similar piles of nonsense.''

For this reason, the "flerfspective" concept is a rich source of [[Wikipedia:Word salad|word salad]].

== Gallery of Memes==
Meme 1
[[File:Bottom Up explained1.jpg]]

Meme 2
[[File:Bottom Up explained2.jpg]]

Meme 3
[[File:Bottom Up explained3.jpg]]

= References =
<references/>

[[Category:Flerf lies]]
[[Category:Glossary pages]]

File:Bottom Up explained3.jpg

2026-05-25T12:45:39Z

Ttguy:

File:Bottom Up explained2.jpg

2026-05-25T12:44:10Z

Ttguy:

Flerfspective

2026-05-25T12:42:52Z

Ttguy: gallery of memes

[[File:Early Flerfspective Diagram.png|thumb|right|400px|One of the first flerfspective diagrams, drawn ca. 1865 by [[Wikipedia:Samuel Rowbotham|Samuel Rowbotham]]]]

[[File:Flerfspective 2016.png|thumb|right|400px|Screenshot from a modern animated diagram ca. 2016]]

'''Flerfspective''' is a term for the butchered mess that [[:Category:Flerfs|flerfs]] make out of [[Wikipedia:Perspective (graphical)|linear perspective]] when using it to explain:
* [[Wikipedia:Sunset|sunset]]
* [[Wikipedia:Hull down|hull down ships]]
* [[Wikipedia:Celestial navigation|star elevation angles]]
* why we can't see China from directly over America
* ''a variety of other phenomena''

Flerfs that realise the painfully obvious flaws with using flerfspective to explain the above phenomena will sometimes resort to [[Flerfraction|flerfraction]].

= Vanishing Point Issue =

A key misunderstanding is that flerfs think the [[Wikipedia:Vanishing point|'''vanishing point''']] lies at a [[Wikipedia:Glossary of mathematical jargon#finite|finite]] distance from the observer, when it's actually [[Wikipedia:Infinity|infinite]].

The elevation angle of Rowbotham's sun would decrease as it moves away horizontally, but an elevation of 0° is the
[[Wikipedia:Limit (mathematics)|infinitesimal limit]] of this series.

In other words: the sun '''could recede horizontally forever, but could still never actually reach 0° elevation.'''

Without this limit, a flat and level floor beneath an observer would be able to block his line of sight to an object that's above him, which is [[Wikipedia:Reductio ad absurdum|patently absurd]].

= Rhetoric =

Despite extravagant, ongoing efforts among globers to explain the above issue, to date apparently no flerf has ever comprehended it (except [[:Category:Ex-flerfs|ex-flerfs]]).

When confronted on it, flerfs generally become chaos gremlins and rebut with statements like:
* "The atmosphere [[Flerfraction|magnifies things]]."<ref>https://youtu.be/tflhWwoqWAw?t=7m40s</ref>
* "Using an orthographic diagram to explain perspective is a category error."<ref>https://www.youtube.com/live/DypTjkfLDY8?t=1h0m18s</ref>
* "Math is a language, and can be used to lie just like any other language."
* [[Curved visual space|"We see in hyperbolic geometry, not Euclidean."]]<ref>https://youtu.be/T7Ge9wW58Lk?t=5m0s</ref>
* ''... and many similar piles of nonsense.''

For this reason, the "flerfspective" concept is a rich source of [[Wikipedia:Word salad|word salad]].

== Gallery of Memes==
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= References =
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[[Category:Flerf lies]]
[[Category:Glossary pages]]

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