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		<title>Artemis II</title>
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		<updated>2026-04-06T21:41:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Replace placeholder with Artemis II evidence page + NASA images&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Quick facts ==&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports Artemis II launched on April 1, 2026, at 6:35 p.m. EDT from Launch Complex 39B, Kennedy Space Center.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/01/live-artemis-ii-launch-day-updates/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Crew: Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and CSA astronaut Jeremy Hansen.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-press-kit/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Mission profile: roughly 10-day crewed lunar flyby and return using a free-return trajectory.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA published dated mission-event coverage for launch, translunar operations, and lunar flyby windows.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-2/nasa-sets-coverage-for-artemis-ii-moon-mission/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== &amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; paired images (about 19 seconds apart) ==&lt;br /&gt;
NASA released two Earth photos taken seconds apart with different camera settings (one emphasizes the night side, the other is the widely shared &amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; view). The mission article and gallery pages below are the primary web entry points.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== NASA web pages ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/hello-world/ Hello, World] (image article)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/fd02_for-pao/ Hello, World] (large presentation image page)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e000193/ art002e000193] (backlit Earth, first in time)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e000192/ Earth From the Perspective of Artemis II] (art002e000192, the &amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; release asset)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/gallery/journey-to-the-moon/ Journey to the Moon gallery] (lists both assets among mission imagery)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Source files and EXIF metadata (originals + JSON) ===&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Asset ID !! NASA Images catalog !! Original JPG !! Machine-readable metadata&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| art002e000193 || [https://images.nasa.gov/details/art002e000193 images.nasa.gov] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000193/art002e000193~orig.jpg orig] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000193/metadata.json metadata.json]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| art002e000192 || [https://images.nasa.gov/details/art002e000192 images.nasa.gov] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000192/art002e000192~orig.jpg orig] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000192/metadata.json metadata.json]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Capture times in UTC (from EXIF, with subseconds) ===&lt;br /&gt;
These times come from &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;EXIF:DateTimeOriginal&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; plus subsecond fields in NASA&#039;s &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;metadata.json&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; / ExifTool output on the &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;~orig.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;art002e000193 (first exposure):&#039;&#039;&#039; 2026-04-03 &#039;&#039;&#039;00:27:20.82 UTC&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;art002e000192 (&amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; / Earth From the Perspective):&#039;&#039;&#039; 2026-04-03 &#039;&#039;&#039;00:27:39.26 UTC&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Elapsed time between captures:&#039;&#039;&#039; 18.44 seconds (same pair NASA describes as seconds apart with different settings)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Time zone note (camera vs file processing) ===&lt;br /&gt;
Classic EXIF stores &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;DateTimeOriginal&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; without a time-zone suffix. These files also include &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;EXIF:OffsetTime&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; of &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;-05:00&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; on some tags, while &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;EXIF:OffsetTimeOriginal&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; is absent. That pattern commonly reflects ground processing workstation timestamps, not a reliable claim that the camera shutter clock was set to UTC−5.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For public mission timing, NASA&#039;s release context for this milestone aligns with reporting the capture instant in &#039;&#039;&#039;UTC&#039;&#039;&#039; as listed above (also consistent with subsecond ordering of the pair).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Distance from Earth (NASA primary sources; not in JPEG EXIF) ===&lt;br /&gt;
NASA does not embed &#039;&#039;&#039;range to Earth&#039;&#039;&#039; in the public JPEG EXIF for these assets. The camera EXIF times above are interpreted in &#039;&#039;&#039;UTC&#039;&#039;&#039; for mission discussion (see time-zone note). Distance must come from mission trajectory reporting and tracking products.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Mission context (after translunar injection):&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA&#039;s [https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/hello-world/ Hello, World] article states the photo was taken from Orion&#039;s window &#039;&#039;&#039;after completing the translunar injection burn&#039;&#039;&#039;, on the outbound journey toward the Moon.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Before TLI (not the photo instant):&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA&#039;s [https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasas-artemis-ii-mission-leaves-earth-orbit-for-flight-around-moon/ April 2 news release] says Orion was placed into a high Earth orbit extending &#039;&#039;&#039;about 46,000 miles&#039;&#039;&#039; above Earth for checkouts before the translunar injection burn.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Overall outbound geometry:&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA&#039;s [https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-press-kit/ Artemis II press kit] describes the post-TLI outbound path as tracing a figure eight that will extend &#039;&#039;&#039;more than 230,000 miles from Earth&#039;&#039;&#039; before returning home (maximum extent along the trajectory, not tied to a single photo time).&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Around Flight Day 3 (qualitative):&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA&#039;s [https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/04/artemis-ii-flight-day-3-crew-prepares-cabin-for-lunar-flyby/ Flight Day 3 update] states the mission was &#039;&#039;&#039;more than halfway to the Moon&#039;&#039;&#039; while the crew prepared for the flyby.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Bracketing anchor (later along the same leg):&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA&#039;s [https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/04/artemis-ii-flight-day-4-deep-space-flying-lunar-flyby-prep/ Flight Day 4 update] reports that at crew wakeup on Flight Day 4, Orion was &#039;&#039;&#039;approximately 169,000 miles from Earth&#039;&#039;&#039; (and about 110,700 miles from the Moon). The Hello World pair was taken on &#039;&#039;&#039;2026-04-03 ~00:27 UTC&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;&#039;about one Earth-day earlier&#039;&#039;&#039; on the outbound leg, so this is a &#039;&#039;&#039;later&#039;&#039;&#039; distance anchor: the spacecraft was &#039;&#039;&#039;farther from Earth at that April 4 wakeup than at the April 03 ~00:27 UTC exposures&#039;&#039;&#039;, but still &#039;&#039;&#039;well beyond&#039;&#039;&#039; the pre-TLI high-Earth-orbit phase described in the news release.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Where to read off exact miles for a given UTC time:&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA&#039;s [https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-2/track-nasas-artemis-ii-mission-in-real-time tracking article] and [https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis-ii/arow/ Artemis Real-time Orbit Website (AROW)] provide &#039;&#039;&#039;distance from Earth&#039;&#039;&#039; from mission state data (not from the photo files).&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Pair note:&#039;&#039;&#039; The two frames are &#039;&#039;&#039;19 seconds apart&#039;&#039;&#039;; for distance-to-Earth purposes they are the &#039;&#039;&#039;same&#039;&#039;&#039; position to practical precision.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why this mission matters for evidence discussions ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== 1) It is not a single-organization story ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II includes international participation (CSA crew member) and partner hardware programs documented in mission material.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 2) It has public, time-stamped operations ===&lt;br /&gt;
NASA published expected mission windows, event timings, and regular updates, including phases where communications are expected to drop behind the Moon and then return.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 3) It uses a testable trajectory model ===&lt;br /&gt;
The mission design is a free-return path in the Earth-Moon gravity system, which is an established, checkable orbital approach rather than an arbitrary claim.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mission timeline (primary-source snapshot) ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 1, 2026 (Launch Day) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|thumb|right|320px|Artemis II launch, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Joel Kowsky).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|thumb|right|320px|Artemis II crew walkout (NASA/Aubrey Gemignani).]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Liftoff reported at 6:35 p.m. EDT.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Core-stage cutoff/separation and Orion solar array deployment reported in mission updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 2, 2026 ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reported perigee-raise burn completion and translunar injection preparation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/02/artemis-ii-flight-update-perigee-raise-burn-complete/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 6, 2026 (lunar flyby day in NASA schedule) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA published flyby coverage windows, including lunar sphere-of-influence milestones and expected far-side communications loss/reacquisition periods.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Imagery with source provenance ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery mode=&amp;quot;packed&amp;quot; heights=&amp;quot;210&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|Launch image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|Crew walkout image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|Orion in-flight selfie with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|Crescent Earth image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sources ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6632</id>
		<title>Artemis II</title>
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		<updated>2026-04-06T21:16:26Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Replace placeholder with Artemis II evidence page + NASA images&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Short description|Artemis II evidence brief as of 2026-04-06}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Artemis II (As of April 6, 2026) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What this page is for ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a plain-language evidence brief for two groups:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* People debating common spaceflight denial claims.&lt;br /&gt;
* Skeptics (including flat-Earth audiences) who are open to checking primary sources directly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The goal is not rhetoric. The goal is to test claims against dated, verifiable records.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Quick facts ==&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports Artemis II launched on April 1, 2026, at 6:35 p.m. EDT from Launch Complex 39B, Kennedy Space Center.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/01/live-artemis-ii-launch-day-updates/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Crew: Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and CSA astronaut Jeremy Hansen.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-press-kit/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Mission profile: roughly 10-day crewed lunar flyby and return using a free-return trajectory.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA published dated mission-event coverage for launch, translunar operations, and lunar flyby windows.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-2/nasa-sets-coverage-for-artemis-ii-moon-mission/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== &amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; paired images (about 19 seconds apart) ==&lt;br /&gt;
NASA released two Earth photos taken seconds apart with different camera settings (one emphasizes the night side, the other is the widely shared &amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; view). The mission article and gallery pages below are the primary web entry points.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== NASA web pages ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/hello-world/ Hello, World] (image article)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/fd02_for-pao/ Hello, World] (large presentation image page)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e000193/ art002e000193] (backlit Earth, first in time)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e000192/ Earth From the Perspective of Artemis II] (art002e000192, the &amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; release asset)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.nasa.gov/gallery/journey-to-the-moon/ Journey to the Moon gallery] (lists both assets among mission imagery)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Source files and EXIF metadata (originals + JSON) ===&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Asset ID !! NASA Images catalog !! Original JPG !! Machine-readable metadata&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| art002e000193 || [https://images.nasa.gov/details/art002e000193 images.nasa.gov] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000193/art002e000193~orig.jpg orig] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000193/metadata.json metadata.json]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| art002e000192 || [https://images.nasa.gov/details/art002e000192 images.nasa.gov] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000192/art002e000192~orig.jpg orig] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e000192/metadata.json metadata.json]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Capture times in UTC (from EXIF, with subseconds) ===&lt;br /&gt;
These times come from &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;EXIF:DateTimeOriginal&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; plus subsecond fields in NASA&#039;s &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;metadata.json&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; / ExifTool output on the &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;~orig.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;art002e000193 (first exposure):&#039;&#039;&#039; 2026-04-03 &#039;&#039;&#039;00:27:20.82 UTC&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;art002e000192 (&amp;quot;Hello, World&amp;quot; / Earth From the Perspective):&#039;&#039;&#039; 2026-04-03 &#039;&#039;&#039;00:27:39.26 UTC&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Elapsed time between captures:&#039;&#039;&#039; 18.44 seconds (same pair NASA describes as seconds apart with different settings)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Time zone note (camera vs file processing) ===&lt;br /&gt;
Classic EXIF stores &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;DateTimeOriginal&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; without a time-zone suffix. These files also include &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;EXIF:OffsetTime&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; of &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;-05:00&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; on some tags, while &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;EXIF:OffsetTimeOriginal&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; is absent. That pattern commonly reflects ground processing workstation timestamps, not a reliable claim that the camera shutter clock was set to UTC−5.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For public mission timing, NASA&#039;s release context for this milestone aligns with reporting the capture instant in &#039;&#039;&#039;UTC&#039;&#039;&#039; as listed above (also consistent with subsecond ordering of the pair).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why this mission matters for evidence discussions ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== 1) It is not a single-organization story ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II includes international participation (CSA crew member) and partner hardware programs documented in mission material.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 2) It has public, time-stamped operations ===&lt;br /&gt;
NASA published expected mission windows, event timings, and regular updates, including phases where communications are expected to drop behind the Moon and then return.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 3) It uses a testable trajectory model ===&lt;br /&gt;
The mission design is a free-return path in the Earth-Moon gravity system, which is an established, checkable orbital approach rather than an arbitrary claim.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mission timeline (primary-source snapshot) ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 1, 2026 (Launch Day) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|thumb|right|320px|Artemis II launch, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Joel Kowsky).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|thumb|right|320px|Artemis II crew walkout (NASA/Aubrey Gemignani).]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Liftoff reported at 6:35 p.m. EDT.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Core-stage cutoff/separation and Orion solar array deployment reported in mission updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 2, 2026 ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reported perigee-raise burn completion and translunar injection preparation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/02/artemis-ii-flight-update-perigee-raise-burn-complete/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 6, 2026 (lunar flyby day in NASA schedule) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA published flyby coverage windows, including lunar sphere-of-influence milestones and expected far-side communications loss/reacquisition periods.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Imagery with source provenance ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery mode=&amp;quot;packed&amp;quot; heights=&amp;quot;210&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|Launch image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|Crew walkout image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|Orion in-flight selfie with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|Crescent Earth image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== How to handle common claims ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;Only NASA says this happened.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
Use multiple layers: launch timeline, international crew participation, partner systems, public mission windows, and in-flight imagery with source pages.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;Moon missions are impossible because of fuel.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II is a flyby test mission, not a landing mission. Its profile uses staged propulsion and free-return geometry to reduce risk and energy requirements.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;Behind-the-Moon comms behavior is fake.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
Expected communication loss on far-side passage is a line-of-sight radio geometry consequence and was listed in mission coverage plans beforehand.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== For skeptics who want to learn ==&lt;br /&gt;
A practical method is:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Start with mission pages, not social clips.&lt;br /&gt;
* Write down time claims before checking evidence.&lt;br /&gt;
* Check whether independent facts (crew, timeline, trajectory, comms behavior, imagery provenance) fit together.&lt;br /&gt;
* If you reject one model, propose an alternative that explains all observed constraints at once.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Limits ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a dated snapshot. Mission operations can shift in real time. Always check current official updates for final timings and outcomes.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sources ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6629</id>
		<title>Artemis II</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6629"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T17:28:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Replace placeholder with Artemis II evidence page + NASA images&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Short description|Artemis II evidence brief as of 2026-04-06}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Artemis II (As of April 6, 2026) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What this page is for ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a plain-language evidence brief for two groups:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* People debating common spaceflight denial claims.&lt;br /&gt;
* Skeptics (including flat-Earth audiences) who are open to checking primary sources directly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The goal is not rhetoric. The goal is to test claims against dated, verifiable records.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Quick facts ==&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports Artemis II launched on April 1, 2026, at 6:35 p.m. EDT from Launch Complex 39B, Kennedy Space Center.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/01/live-artemis-ii-launch-day-updates/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Crew: Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and CSA astronaut Jeremy Hansen.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-press-kit/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Mission profile: roughly 10-day crewed lunar flyby and return using a free-return trajectory.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA published dated mission-event coverage for launch, translunar operations, and lunar flyby windows.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-2/nasa-sets-coverage-for-artemis-ii-moon-mission/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why this mission matters for evidence discussions ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== 1) It is not a single-organization story ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II includes international participation (CSA crew member) and partner hardware programs documented in mission material.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 2) It has public, time-stamped operations ===&lt;br /&gt;
NASA published expected mission windows, event timings, and regular updates, including phases where communications are expected to drop behind the Moon and then return.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 3) It uses a testable trajectory model ===&lt;br /&gt;
The mission design is a free-return path in the Earth-Moon gravity system, which is an established, checkable orbital approach rather than an arbitrary claim.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mission timeline (primary-source snapshot) ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 1, 2026 (Launch Day) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|thumb|right|320px|Artemis II launch, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Joel Kowsky).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|thumb|right|320px|Artemis II crew walkout (NASA/Aubrey Gemignani).]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Liftoff reported at 6:35 p.m. EDT.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Core-stage cutoff/separation and Orion solar array deployment reported in mission updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 2, 2026 ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reported perigee-raise burn completion and translunar injection preparation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/02/artemis-ii-flight-update-perigee-raise-burn-complete/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 6, 2026 (lunar flyby day in NASA schedule) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA published flyby coverage windows, including lunar sphere-of-influence milestones and expected far-side communications loss/reacquisition periods.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Imagery with source provenance ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery mode=&amp;quot;packed&amp;quot; heights=&amp;quot;210&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|Launch image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|Crew walkout image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|Orion in-flight selfie with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|Crescent Earth image with source page: [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ NASA].&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== How to handle common claims ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;Only NASA says this happened.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
Use multiple layers: launch timeline, international crew participation, partner systems, public mission windows, and in-flight imagery with source pages.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;Moon missions are impossible because of fuel.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II is a flyby test mission, not a landing mission. Its profile uses staged propulsion and free-return geometry to reduce risk and energy requirements.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;Behind-the-Moon comms behavior is fake.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
Expected communication loss on far-side passage is a line-of-sight radio geometry consequence and was listed in mission coverage plans beforehand.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== For skeptics who want to learn ==&lt;br /&gt;
A practical method is:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Start with mission pages, not social clips.&lt;br /&gt;
* Write down time claims before checking evidence.&lt;br /&gt;
* Check whether independent facts (crew, timeline, trajectory, comms behavior, imagery provenance) fit together.&lt;br /&gt;
* If you reject one model, propose an alternative that explains all observed constraints at once.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Limits ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a dated snapshot. Mission operations can shift in real time. Always check current official updates for final timings and outcomes.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sources ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6628</id>
		<title>Artemis II</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6628"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T17:22:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Replace placeholder with Artemis II evidence page + NASA images&lt;/p&gt;
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{{Short description|Artemis II status and evidence overview as of 2026-04-06}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Artemis II (As of April 6, 2026) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why this page exists ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a fact-first briefing for discussions with spaceflight skeptics, including flat-Earth and moon-landing denial audiences. It emphasizes claims that are independently verifiable from mission telemetry, international participation, and publicly published timelines.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Executive snapshot ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Artemis II is NASA&#039;s first crewed Artemis mission and first crewed lunar-vicinity mission since Apollo-era deep-space flights.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-press-kit/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports Artemis II launched from Kennedy Space Center, Launch Complex 39B, on April 1, 2026, at 6:35 p.m. EDT.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/01/live-artemis-ii-launch-day-updates/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Crew: Reid Wiseman (Commander), Victor Glover (Pilot), Christina Koch (Mission Specialist), Jeremy Hansen of the Canadian Space Agency (Mission Specialist).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Mission design is an approximately 10-day crewed lunar flyby and return using a free-return trajectory architecture.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA mission coverage schedule for April 6, 2026 includes lunar flyby operations and key trajectory milestones (lunar sphere-of-influence entry, closest approach timing window, comms blackout behind the Moon, re-acquisition).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-2/nasa-sets-coverage-for-artemis-ii-moon-mission/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Official NASA imagery ==&lt;br /&gt;
The files below match the filenames in &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;flerf_wiki/images/&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;. After [[Special:Upload|upload]] to your wiki, the same &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:...]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; lines will render; until then, open the local JPGs or use the NASA source links in [[#Image source list|Image source list]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery mode=&amp;quot;packed&amp;quot; heights=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Launch.&#039;&#039;&#039; SLS and Orion lift off on Artemis II from Launch Complex 39B, April 1, 2026, 6:35 p.m. EDT. &#039;&#039;NASA/Joel Kowsky.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Crew walkout.&#039;&#039;&#039; Wiseman, Koch, Glover, and Hansen depart the Operations and Checkout Building for Launch Complex 39B, April 1, 2026. &#039;&#039;NASA/Aubrey Gemignani.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Orion in flight.&#039;&#039;&#039; High-resolution selfie from a camera on a solar array wing during external inspection, flight day 2. &#039;&#039;NASA/JSC.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Crescent Earth.&#039;&#039;&#039; Sliver of Earth through an Orion window, flight day 3—shows illuminated limb geometry expected from cislunar vantage. &#039;&#039;NASA/JSC.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More galleries and video: [https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-multimedia/ Artemis II multimedia].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Primary-source timeline (UTC-4 / EDT) ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 1, 2026 (Launch Day) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|thumb|right|300px|SLS and Orion lift off on Artemis II, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Joel Kowsky).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Artemis II crew walkout at Kennedy Space Center, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Aubrey Gemignani).]]&lt;br /&gt;
* 6:35 p.m. EDT liftoff stated by NASA.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Core stage main-engine cutoff and separation confirmed in NASA launch updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Orion solar array wings deployment confirmed post-launch in NASA updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 2, 2026 (Early mission orbit shaping) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports perigee-raise burn complete and preparations for translunar injection burn.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/02/artemis-ii-flight-update-perigee-raise-burn-complete/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 6, 2026 (Lunar flyby day per NASA mission schedule) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA lists April 6 lunar flyby coverage and milestones, including:&lt;br /&gt;
** Orion enters lunar sphere of influence.&lt;br /&gt;
** Predicted far-side communication loss and reacquisition.&lt;br /&gt;
** Closest approach/maximum-distance timing windows.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Strong evidence points for denial-resistant discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== 1) Multi-party mission architecture (not one-organization-only) ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II is not NASA-only in execution: crew includes a CSA astronaut, and Orion uses an ESA-built service module program element documented in NASA technical material.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 2) Continuous public operations stream ===&lt;br /&gt;
NASA published live launch and mission coverage plans plus recurring status briefings and downlinks through the mission window.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This creates a broad public record rather than a single post hoc claim.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 3) Physics-constrained trajectory ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II mission documentation describes a free-return trajectory (Earth-Moon gravity-assisted return geometry), a classic, testable orbital mechanics profile used for mission safety margins.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 4) Time-stamped event chain ===&lt;br /&gt;
Launch, staging, burns, comm windows, and flyby windows are published with specific times and expected operations, enabling independent cross-checking against tracking and observatory data.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 5) In-flight photography (geometry check) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|thumb|left|260px|Crescent Earth from Orion, flight day 3 (NASA/JSC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|thumb|left|260px|Orion solar-array selfie in space, flight day 2 (NASA/JSC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
Mission-released stills show Earth as a distant illuminated body and Orion hardware in vacuum lighting—consistent with orbital mechanics and inconsistent with “all space imagery is staged in a studio” without ad hoc excuses. Compare timing and captions to the [https://www.nasa.gov/gallery/artemis-ii-flight-day-highlights/ Artemis II flight day highlights] gallery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Common denial claims vs evidence ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;No one can verify this except NASA.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Evidence:&#039;&#039;&#039; International crew and partner hardware, plus globally visible mission operations windows and publicly announced event timing, increase independent observability and reduce single-source dependency.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;A moon mission would require impossible fuel.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Evidence:&#039;&#039;&#039; Artemis II is not a lunar landing mission; it is a crewed flyby test using staged propulsion plus gravity-assisted free-return geometry specifically chosen for energy and safety efficiency.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;If they went behind the Moon, communications should fail.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Evidence:&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA explicitly scheduled and communicated predicted temporary loss of signal during far-side passage, then reacquisition windows.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That behavior is expected from line-of-sight radio geometry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Discussion guidance for public debates ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Lead with narrow, verifiable claims (date/time/crew/trajectory) before broad conclusions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Prefer primary sources over commentary videos.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ask skeptics to provide a physically consistent alternative model that predicts:&lt;br /&gt;
** launch and stage events,&lt;br /&gt;
** burn timing,&lt;br /&gt;
** comms blackout behind the Moon,&lt;br /&gt;
** and return window,&lt;br /&gt;
all together.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Limits and uncertainty notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a snapshot as of April 6, 2026. In-mission timings can shift due to operations, lighting geometry, navigation updates, and mission management decisions. Use NASA mission pages for latest official updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Image source list ==&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Local filename !! NASA page !! Direct download used&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ Artemis II Launch] || [https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/55182789108-f13e3eb9ec-o.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ Artemis II Walkout] || [https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/55182566975-062618c0a9-o.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ Crescent Earth] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e004437/art002e004437~large.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ Orion selfie] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e004357/art002e004357~large.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
NASA media are generally U.S. government works; confirm on each image page before commercial reuse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Source quality verification process (original assets + EXIF) ==&lt;br /&gt;
To prioritize highest-quality original-source media, this page now uses a repeatable verification workflow:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# Start from NASA image-detail pages (human-readable provenance):&lt;br /&gt;
#* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ Crescent Earth]&lt;br /&gt;
#* [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ Orion Snaps a Selfie During External Inspection]&lt;br /&gt;
# Resolve the NASA assets collection endpoint to identify the highest-fidelity original file (`~orig.jpg`):&lt;br /&gt;
#* &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e004437/collection.json&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#* &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e004357/collection.json&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
# Download and inspect EXIF with ExifTool:&lt;br /&gt;
#* &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;exiftool -Make -Model -ExposureTime -ShutterSpeedValue -FNumber -ISO -FocalLength -LensModel -DateTimeOriginal art002e004437~orig.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#* &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;exiftool -Make -Model -ExposureTime -ShutterSpeedValue -FNumber -ISO -FocalLength -LensModel -DateTimeOriginal art002e004357~orig.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Verified EXIF results ===&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Image !! Original file verified !! Camera make/model !! Exposure details&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Crescent Earth || &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;art002e004437~orig.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || NIKON CORPORATION / NIKON D5 || 1/640 s, f/18.0, ISO 500, 150.0 mm, Lens: 80.0-400.0 mm f/4.5-5.6, DateTimeOriginal 2026:04:03 23:38:59&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Orion in flight (selfie) || &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;art002e004357~orig.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || GoPro / HERO4 Black || 1/670 s, f/2.8, ISO 100, 3.0 mm, DateTimeOriginal 2026:04:03 12:48:33&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Interpretation note: this does not by itself prove every claim, but it does satisfy a strong provenance check that the files are original camera-derived assets with coherent acquisition metadata rather than stripped social-media re-encodes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sources ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6627</id>
		<title>Artemis II</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6627"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T17:09:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Replace placeholder with Artemis II evidence page + NASA images&lt;/p&gt;
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{{Short description|Artemis II status and evidence overview as of 2026-04-06}}&lt;br /&gt;
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= Artemis II (As of April 6, 2026) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why this page exists ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a fact-first briefing for discussions with spaceflight skeptics, including flat-Earth and moon-landing denial audiences. It emphasizes claims that are independently verifiable from mission telemetry, international participation, and publicly published timelines.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Executive snapshot ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Artemis II is NASA&#039;s first crewed Artemis mission and first crewed lunar-vicinity mission since Apollo-era deep-space flights.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-press-kit/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports Artemis II launched from Kennedy Space Center, Launch Complex 39B, on April 1, 2026, at 6:35 p.m. EDT.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/01/live-artemis-ii-launch-day-updates/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Crew: Reid Wiseman (Commander), Victor Glover (Pilot), Christina Koch (Mission Specialist), Jeremy Hansen of the Canadian Space Agency (Mission Specialist).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Mission design is an approximately 10-day crewed lunar flyby and return using a free-return trajectory architecture.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA mission coverage schedule for April 6, 2026 includes lunar flyby operations and key trajectory milestones (lunar sphere-of-influence entry, closest approach timing window, comms blackout behind the Moon, re-acquisition).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-2/nasa-sets-coverage-for-artemis-ii-moon-mission/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Official NASA imagery ==&lt;br /&gt;
The files below match the filenames in &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;flerf_wiki/images/&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;. After [[Special:Upload|upload]] to your wiki, the same &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:...]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; lines will render; until then, open the local JPGs or use the NASA source links in [[#Image source list|Image source list]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery mode=&amp;quot;packed&amp;quot; heights=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Launch.&#039;&#039;&#039; SLS and Orion lift off on Artemis II from Launch Complex 39B, April 1, 2026, 6:35 p.m. EDT. &#039;&#039;NASA/Joel Kowsky.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Crew walkout.&#039;&#039;&#039; Wiseman, Koch, Glover, and Hansen depart the Operations and Checkout Building for Launch Complex 39B, April 1, 2026. &#039;&#039;NASA/Aubrey Gemignani.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Orion in flight.&#039;&#039;&#039; High-resolution selfie from a camera on a solar array wing during external inspection, flight day 2. &#039;&#039;NASA/JSC.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Crescent Earth.&#039;&#039;&#039; Sliver of Earth through an Orion window, flight day 3—shows illuminated limb geometry expected from cislunar vantage. &#039;&#039;NASA/JSC.&#039;&#039; [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ NASA image page]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More galleries and video: [https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-multimedia/ Artemis II multimedia].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Primary-source timeline (UTC-4 / EDT) ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 1, 2026 (Launch Day) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg|thumb|right|300px|SLS and Orion lift off on Artemis II, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Joel Kowsky).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Artemis II crew walkout at Kennedy Space Center, April 1, 2026 (NASA/Aubrey Gemignani).]]&lt;br /&gt;
* 6:35 p.m. EDT liftoff stated by NASA.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Core stage main-engine cutoff and separation confirmed in NASA launch updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Orion solar array wings deployment confirmed post-launch in NASA updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 2, 2026 (Early mission orbit shaping) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA reports perigee-raise burn complete and preparations for translunar injection burn.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/02/artemis-ii-flight-update-perigee-raise-burn-complete/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== April 6, 2026 (Lunar flyby day per NASA mission schedule) ===&lt;br /&gt;
* NASA lists April 6 lunar flyby coverage and milestones, including:&lt;br /&gt;
** Orion enters lunar sphere of influence.&lt;br /&gt;
** Predicted far-side communication loss and reacquisition.&lt;br /&gt;
** Closest approach/maximum-distance timing windows.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Strong evidence points for denial-resistant discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== 1) Multi-party mission architecture (not one-organization-only) ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II is not NASA-only in execution: crew includes a CSA astronaut, and Orion uses an ESA-built service module program element documented in NASA technical material.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 2) Continuous public operations stream ===&lt;br /&gt;
NASA published live launch and mission coverage plans plus recurring status briefings and downlinks through the mission window.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This creates a broad public record rather than a single post hoc claim.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 3) Physics-constrained trajectory ===&lt;br /&gt;
Artemis II mission documentation describes a free-return trajectory (Earth-Moon gravity-assisted return geometry), a classic, testable orbital mechanics profile used for mission safety margins.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 4) Time-stamped event chain ===&lt;br /&gt;
Launch, staging, burns, comm windows, and flyby windows are published with specific times and expected operations, enabling independent cross-checking against tracking and observatory data.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_launch_day&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 5) In-flight photography (geometry check) ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg|thumb|left|260px|Crescent Earth from Orion, flight day 3 (NASA/JSC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg|thumb|left|260px|Orion solar-array selfie in space, flight day 2 (NASA/JSC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
Mission-released stills show Earth as a distant illuminated body and Orion hardware in vacuum lighting—consistent with orbital mechanics and inconsistent with “all space imagery is staged in a studio” without ad hoc excuses. Compare timing and captions to the [https://www.nasa.gov/gallery/artemis-ii-flight-day-highlights/ Artemis II flight day highlights] gallery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Common denial claims vs evidence ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;No one can verify this except NASA.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Evidence:&#039;&#039;&#039; International crew and partner hardware, plus globally visible mission operations windows and publicly announced event timing, increase independent observability and reduce single-source dependency.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;A moon mission would require impossible fuel.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Evidence:&#039;&#039;&#039; Artemis II is not a lunar landing mission; it is a crewed flyby test using staged propulsion plus gravity-assisted free-return geometry specifically chosen for energy and safety efficiency.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_press_kit&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Claim: &amp;quot;If they went behind the Moon, communications should fail.&amp;quot; ===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Evidence:&#039;&#039;&#039; NASA explicitly scheduled and communicated predicted temporary loss of signal during far-side passage, then reacquisition windows.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That behavior is expected from line-of-sight radio geometry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Discussion guidance for public debates ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Lead with narrow, verifiable claims (date/time/crew/trajectory) before broad conclusions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Prefer primary sources over commentary videos.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ask skeptics to provide a physically consistent alternative model that predicts:&lt;br /&gt;
** launch and stage events,&lt;br /&gt;
** burn timing,&lt;br /&gt;
** comms blackout behind the Moon,&lt;br /&gt;
** and return window,&lt;br /&gt;
all together.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Limits and uncertainty notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is a snapshot as of April 6, 2026. In-mission timings can shift due to operations, lighting geometry, navigation updates, and mission management decisions. Use NASA mission pages for latest official updates.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;nasa_coverage&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Image source list ==&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Local filename !! NASA page !! Direct download used&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-launch-11/ Artemis II Launch] || [https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/55182789108-f13e3eb9ec-o.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-walkout/ Artemis II Walkout] || [https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/55182566975-062618c0a9-o.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004437/ Crescent Earth] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e004437/art002e004437~large.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;lt;code&amp;gt;images/artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt; || [https://www.nasa.gov/image-detail/amf-art002e004357/ Orion selfie] || [https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art002e004357/art002e004357~large.jpg JPG]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
NASA media are generally U.S. government works; confirm on each image page before commercial reuse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sources ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6626</id>
		<title>Artemis II</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Artemis_II&amp;diff=6626"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T17:08:26Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: test edit from api&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;TEST_EDIT_Toona&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg&amp;diff=6625</id>
		<title>File:Artemis ii orion selfie.jpg</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_orion_selfie.jpg&amp;diff=6625"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T16:56:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg&amp;diff=6624</id>
		<title>File:Artemis ii crescent earth orion.jpg</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_crescent_earth_orion.jpg&amp;diff=6624"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T16:56:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg&amp;diff=6623</id>
		<title>File:Artemis ii crew walkout 2026.jpg</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_crew_walkout_2026.jpg&amp;diff=6623"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T16:56:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg&amp;diff=6622</id>
		<title>File:Artemis ii launch 2026.jpg</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Artemis_ii_launch_2026.jpg&amp;diff=6622"/>
		<updated>2026-04-06T16:56:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;NASA public imagery; see file description on wiki page Artemis_II&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Elder_Bear&amp;diff=6548</id>
		<title>Elder Bear</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Elder_Bear&amp;diff=6548"/>
		<updated>2026-03-31T14:29:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| realName = Unknwon, but probably some&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;awesome British name like&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Humphrey Sebastian Charles Worthington-Smythe&lt;br /&gt;
| image = &lt;br /&gt;
| location = UK&lt;br /&gt;
| platform = Discord&lt;br /&gt;
| papa = [[Paul Bevan]]&lt;br /&gt;
| antisemite = Unknown&lt;br /&gt;
| religiflerf = Unknown&lt;br /&gt;
| drinksUrine = Not yet confirmed&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Elderbear is a flat earther.  This is because he appears to believe that all parallels are horizontal.  When he is asked &amp;quot;Are all horizontals parallel?&amp;quot; he refuses to answer because he knows this will cause him to fall under the definition of flat earther.  If he does not think all horizontals are parallel, he would be very happy to declare they are not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
ElderBear is a Bevite.  That is his papa flerf is [[Paul Bevan]] aka Bev.  In fact it appears that Bev is papa flerf to only 1 person: ElderBear.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All Bevites are bound by blood oath to never answer questions about what they think the earth is, and all Bevites are bound by the same oath to personally believe the earth is flat.  However, this must never be spoken of out loud.  Instead they are oath-bound to deflect from such clarification by stating something like &amp;quot;I can prove the earth is not flat&amp;quot; referring to changes in elevation, also called topography.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As if anyone ever imagined that flerfs didn&#039;t believe in topography.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Of course nobody has ever thought flerfs disbelieved in topography.  It&#039;s a dishonest tactic to avoid being held accountable with making a claim.  Because claims require evidence and Bevites know there is no evidence for the flat earth they silenetly believe in.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Proof that Elderbear is a flerf:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Elder_Bear_is_flerf_proof_1.jpeg|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Notice how he asserts that 8&amp;quot; per mile² is &amp;quot;nonsensical&amp;quot;.  This is what flat earthers believe.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A useful definition for flat earther, or flerf, is here:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Definition_of_flerf.png|800px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Go ahead and ask ElderBear &amp;quot;are all horizontals parallel?&amp;quot;  If he did not believe that he will instantly declare they are not, as any sane person does.  By not answering he declares that he does believe all horizontals are parallel, thus proving he is a flerf.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Definition_of_flerf.png&amp;diff=6547</id>
		<title>File:Definition of flerf.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Definition_of_flerf.png&amp;diff=6547"/>
		<updated>2026-03-31T14:14:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-9.png&amp;diff=6447</id>
		<title>File:Elec-vile-abuse-9.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-9.png&amp;diff=6447"/>
		<updated>2026-03-19T02:26:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-8.png&amp;diff=6446</id>
		<title>File:Elec-vile-abuse-8.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-8.png&amp;diff=6446"/>
		<updated>2026-03-19T02:26:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-7.png&amp;diff=6445</id>
		<title>File:Elec-vile-abuse-7.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-7.png&amp;diff=6445"/>
		<updated>2026-03-19T02:26:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-6.png&amp;diff=6444</id>
		<title>File:Elec-vile-abuse-6.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-6.png&amp;diff=6444"/>
		<updated>2026-03-19T02:26:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-5.png&amp;diff=6443</id>
		<title>File:Elec-vile-abuse-5.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=File:Elec-vile-abuse-5.png&amp;diff=6443"/>
		<updated>2026-03-19T02:26:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>File:Elec-vile-abuse-4.png</title>
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		<updated>2026-03-19T02:26:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<updated>2026-03-19T02:25:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<updated>2026-03-19T02:25:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<updated>2026-03-19T01:45:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Elec vile abuse screenshot 1&lt;/p&gt;
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Elec vile abuse screenshot 1&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Joshua_Swift&amp;diff=6253</id>
		<title>Joshua Swift</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-19T02:16:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Created profile for Joshua Swift (Authentic Intent) - The Flerf Whisperer&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox|realName=Joshua Dale Swift|image=|location=Minnesota, US|platform=[https://www.youtube.com/@AuthenticIntent YouTube - Authentic Intent]}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Joshua Swift =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Joshua Dale Swift is a Minnesota-based flat Earth proponent and convicted sex offender. He gained notoriety in the flat Earth community through his YouTube channel &amp;quot;Authentic Intent&amp;quot; while simultaneously appealing his criminal conviction for third-degree criminal sexual conduct. Because apparently &amp;quot;doing your own research&amp;quot; on Earth&#039;s shape isn&#039;t the only questionable judgment call in his portfolio.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The Authentic Intent (To Commit Crime) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Swift&#039;s YouTube channel &amp;quot;Authentic Intent&amp;quot; presents flat Earth content with a level of credibility you&#039;d expect from someone whose other court appearances involve more serious matters than debating the curvature of the horizon. His authentic intent appears to be spreading misinformation about Earth&#039;s shape while conveniently omitting his own documented criminal history from his bio.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Career Highlights (Criminal Record) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Convicted Felon&#039;&#039;&#039; — Third-degree criminal sexual conduct, Minnesota Court Case A17-1615 (2018)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Failed Appellant&#039;&#039;&#039; — Argued evidence was &amp;quot;insufficient to support his conviction.&amp;quot; Court responded: &amp;quot;We affirm.&amp;quot; (Translation: Nice try, but no.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Minimum 144-Month Sentence&#039;&#039;&#039; — That&#039;s 12 years for those counting, or approximately 4,380 days of &amp;quot;research&amp;quot; he could have used to learn Earth is actually round&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Sex Offender Registry Candidate&#039;&#039;&#039; — Because when you&#039;re already denying reality about Earth&#039;s shape, why not also deny the consequences of your actions?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Greatest Hits (Legal and Scientific) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Claim !! Reality&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;The Earth is flat&amp;quot; || Spheroid, as proven by centuries of science&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;Evidence insufficient&amp;quot; || Court: &amp;quot;We affirm&amp;quot; (denied)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;Authentic Intent&amp;quot; || Intent was apparently authentic enough for a conviction&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;Doing my own research&amp;quot; || Should have researched Minnesota sentencing guidelines&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Flat Earth Community Connections ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Swift has appeared on Karen B&#039;s show &amp;quot;Clearing the Air Like a Vacuum&amp;quot; — an appropriate title given that both flat Earth theories and his legal defense were full of hot air. Nothing says &amp;quot;credible researcher&amp;quot; like having a convicted sex offender as a guest to discuss &amp;quot;truth.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The flat Earth community&#039;s willingness to platform convicted criminals while simultaneously claiming NASA is the dishonest organization represents a level of cognitive dissonance that would be impressive if it weren&#039;t so disturbing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Current Status ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Swift&#039;s current status depends on his parole situation, but his scientific credibility remains firmly incarcerated alongside his common sense. His appeal having been denied, he has plenty of time to contemplate why:&lt;br /&gt;
1. The Earth is demonstrably not flat&lt;br /&gt;
2. Appeals courts don&#039;t overturn convictions just because you don&#039;t like the verdict&lt;br /&gt;
3. Maybe YouTube isn&#039;t the best platform for people with his particular record&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Recruiter Success Rate:&#039;&#039;&#039; Unknown, but his criminal record certainly makes him &amp;quot;authentic&amp;quot; about something, even if it&#039;s not intent to tell the truth about planetary geometry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== See Also ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Karen B]] — Fellow flat Earther who platformed him&lt;br /&gt;
* [[The Final Experiment]] — Another failed attempt at proving flat Earth (like his failed appeal)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== External Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.youtube.com/@AuthenticIntent Authentic Intent YouTube Channel]&lt;br /&gt;
* Minnesota Court of Appeals Case A17-1615 (September 17, 2018) — &#039;&#039;State v. Joshua Dale Swift&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;Third-degree criminal sexual conduct conviction: affirmed. Flat Earth theory: also affirmed (as false).&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:American flerfs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Convicted criminals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Sex offenders]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Mark_Sargent&amp;diff=6252</id>
		<title>Mark Sargent</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-19T01:56:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Added snarky profile update - The Flerf Whisperer&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox|realName=Mark Sargent|image=File:MarkSargent.jpg|location=US|platform=[https://www.youtube.com/@markksargent YouTube]}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Mark Sargent =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Sargent is an American conspiracy theorist and prominent proponent of the flat Earth theory. He gained significant attention with his 2015 YouTube series, &amp;quot;Flat Earth Clues,&amp;quot; which questions the established understanding of Earth&#039;s shape. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The Accidental Convert (Or: How to Fail Your Way to the Top) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mark&#039;s origin story is the flat Earth equivalent of slipping on a banana peel and accidentally becoming a cult leader. In 2014, he tried to &#039;&#039;&#039;debunk&#039;&#039;&#039; a flat Earth video—yes, you read that correctly—and failed so spectacularly at debunking it that he accidentally convinced &#039;&#039;himself&#039;&#039;. This is like trying to disprove Bigfoot by going into the woods, tripping over something hairy, and emerging as the president of the Bigfoot Fan Club.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
His excuse? Being single. No, really—Mark credits his discovery of flat Earth to having &amp;quot;a huge amount of free time on his hands.&amp;quot; Apparently marriage and children are the only things standing between most of us and believing Antarctica is an ice wall from Game of Thrones.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Career Highlights (Lowlights?) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Software analyst turned professional wrong-person&#039;&#039;&#039; — transitioned from IT (where being correct matters) to full-time YouTuber (where being entertainingly wrong pays better)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Star of &amp;quot;Behind the Curve&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039; — a Netflix documentary where he proudly proclaimed &amp;quot;Science is having a problem combatting what we are doing&amp;quot; right before experiments proved the Earth&#039;s curvature... twice&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Author of &amp;quot;Flat Earth Clues&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039; — because apparently &amp;quot;How to Be Confidently Incorrect: A Memoir&amp;quot; was already taken&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Recipient of 2025 Cease and Desist&#039;&#039;&#039; — sued by his &#039;&#039;former fellow flat Earthers&#039;&#039; for defamation after they left the cult. Nothing says &amp;quot;we&#039;re a legitimate movement&amp;quot; like suing each other while agreeing the Earth is a Frisbee&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Greatest Hits ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Claim !! Reality&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;I can see Seattle from Whidbey Island, therefore flat&amp;quot; || Atmospheric refraction is a thing, Mark&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;NASA lies about everything&amp;quot; || Except when they provide satellite TV, weather data, or GPS—those are fine&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;Science throws math at us&amp;quot; || Math: &#039;&#039;exists&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Mark: &amp;quot;This is aggression&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &amp;quot;We&#039;re winning against science&amp;quot; || &#039;&#039;Proceeds to disprove himself with flashlight experiment&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The &amp;quot;Flatties&amp;quot; Awards ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In 2016, Mark co-hosted the &amp;quot;Flatties&amp;quot; with Patricia Steere—a self-congratulatory award show where flat Earthers gave themselves trophies for YouTube videos. The award was a gold-painted figure holding a flat Earth on its shoulders, which is either symbolic or just what happens when you have too much free time and access to craft supplies.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mark&#039;s acceptance speech for awards he couldn&#039;t win (he was disqualified as a host) included references to Stanley Kubrick, The Shining, and how the printing press was invented to &amp;quot;get lies into minds.&amp;quot; You know, normal award show stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Current Status ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Still living on Whidbey Island, still seeing Seattle when he shouldn&#039;t, still calling Neil deGrasse Tyson &amp;quot;He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named&amp;quot; like a wizard who did math at him. Recently spent time making defamatory videos about former flat Earthers who escaped the cult, because nothing recruits new members like publicly attacking people who realized you were wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Recruiter Success Rate:&#039;&#039;&#039; Unknown, but statistically significant enough to be featured in a Netflix documentary that made everyone watching say &amp;quot;Wait, they&#039;re serious?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Known Accounts ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.youtube.com/@markksargent Mark Sargent on YouTube]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Defamation Cease and Desist 2025 ==&lt;br /&gt;
On March 27, 2025 Mark, [[David Weiss]], and 2 unnamed others received a cease and desist request on behalf of Robbie Davidson, Paul Lindberg, and Patricia Steere.[https://archive.org/details/cease-and-desist-to-mark-sargent-2025-03-27]  This is because Mark had made false accusations against them in recent videos because they left the flat earth cult.  Mark appeared on a livestream discussing the notification on March 28, 2025. [https://www.youtube.com/live/M9jNrwSMfdI] [https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.youtube.com/live/M9jNrwSMfdI?si=6UTfOuTrL_qJ72UJ]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Other Info ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Sargent has been a speaker at various flat Earth conferences, including the 2017 International Flat Earth Conference in North Carolina. &lt;br /&gt;
* He appeared in the 2018 documentary &amp;quot;Behind the Curve,&amp;quot; which explores the flat Earth movement and its proponents. &lt;br /&gt;
* Sargent has authored books such as &amp;quot;Flat Earth Clues: The Sky&#039;s The Limit&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Flat Earth Clues: End of The World.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
For more information or to view his content, you can visit his YouTube channel linked above.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;The reason why we&#039;re winning against science is that science just throws math at us.&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; — Mark Sargent, professional recipient of math&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Papa flerfs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:American flerfs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:YouTube flerfs with 100 000  subscribers]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Flatter_Day_Saints&amp;diff=6023</id>
		<title>Flatter Day Saints</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-16T06:55:07Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Added snark, the 5 Ds of flerfing, Gotta lie to flerf, expanded personal attacks&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox|image=File:Flatterdaysaints.jpg|location=US|platform=[https://www.youtube.com/@FLATTER-DAY-SAINTS YouTube]|antisemite=yes|religiflerf=yes|drinksUrine=Distills it first for maximum kidney failure}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Known Accounts =&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.youtube.com/@FLATTER-DAY-SAINTS FLATTER DAY SAINTS]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Debate Analysis =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== February 2025 Debate vs. ADHD Projects ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS got absolutely demolished in a debate on Modern Day Debate channel. It was a masterclass in how NOT to debate. The format was 10-minute opening statements followed by open discussion, which gave FDS plenty of time to embarrass himself.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== The 5 Ds of Flerfing ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS demonstrated all five Ds of flerfing: &#039;&#039;&#039;Duck, Dodge, Deflect, Dumb, and Duck&#039;&#039;&#039; (yes, duck twice—he&#039;s that good at it).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Duck &amp;amp; Dodge:&#039;&#039;&#039; When asked how southern star trails work on a flat earth, FDS dodged with &amp;quot;I don&#039;t know, I&#039;ve never been to the Southern Hemisphere.&amp;quot; Classic flerf move—if you can&#039;t explain it, pretend you haven&#039;t seen it!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Deflect:&#039;&#039;&#039; When presented with theodolite photos showing horizon dip, FDS deflected by claiming the horizon was &amp;quot;in the middle&amp;quot; of the photos. Even when ADHD pointed out the dip angle markers, FDS kept deflecting. Gotta lie to flerf!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Dumb:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS tried to redefine geometry as &amp;quot;measurement of the earth&amp;quot; (geo = earth, get it bro??) and argued that &amp;quot;level&amp;quot; means flat even when shown Merriam-Webster&#039;s definition explicitly mentioning &amp;quot;conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth&#039;s surface.&amp;quot; The density was strong with this one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Duck (again):&#039;&#039;&#039; When asked about how two observers in Australia and Africa can both look south and see stars rotating around the same point, FDS ducked completely. Just full-on admitted he had no explanation. At least he&#039;s honest about being clueless?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Personal Attacks ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS couldn&#039;t argue the science, so he went for the classics:&lt;br /&gt;
* Called ADHD &amp;quot;disingenuous&amp;quot; when photos didn&#039;t match FDS&#039;s delusions&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Intellectually dishonest&amp;quot; — projection much?&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Bro&amp;quot; — used condescendingly approximately 47 times&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;It&#039;s almost laughable, bro&amp;quot; — said while being laughably wrong&lt;br /&gt;
* Accused ADHD of being &amp;quot;conditioned&amp;quot; (classic conspiracy theorist projection)&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;You&#039;re being dishonest, bro&amp;quot; — the mating call of the defeated flerf&lt;br /&gt;
* Claimed ADHD didn&#039;t understand basic concepts he clearly understood better than FDS&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Evidence? What Evidence? ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS presented these galaxy-brain arguments:&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Zodiac Wheel:&#039;&#039;&#039; Claimed astrologers use flat earth models. No evidence provided, just vibes.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Airplanes:&#039;&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;They&#039;re called airplanes because they go over a plane.&amp;quot; Yes, really. That&#039;s the argument.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Neil deGrasse Tyson Misquote:&#039;&#039;&#039; Claimed Tyson said earth looks flat from 120,000 feet. Actually Tyson was commenting on fisheye lens distortion. FDS gotta lie to flerf!&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Army Research Lab Book:&#039;&#039;&#039; Cited a book he admitted he hadn&#039;t read. Peak flerf scholarship.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Density:&#039;&#039;&#039; Tried to claim density explains falling objects, then dismissed vacuum chamber experiments where feathers and bowling balls fall at the same rate. &amp;quot;That would be great if we lived in a vacuum, bro.&amp;quot; Yes, because removing air resistance proves gravity exists, not density.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== The Meltdown ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When cornered on southern star trails, FDS admitted: &amp;quot;I don&#039;t know&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;I can&#039;t prove&amp;quot; the flat earth model. He also admitted he had no explanation for how observers in different southern hemisphere locations see stars rotating around the same point. The earth isn&#039;t flat, but FDS&#039;s understanding of it sure is.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Verdict ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS got bodied so hard he had to end with a religious appeal: &amp;quot;If I were to die today... I solemnly swear and attest to everything I said knowingly is true.&amp;quot; When the science fails, appeal to God—that&#039;s the flerf way! Then he promoted his channel and invited people to debate &amp;quot;direct energy weapons, chemtrails and radium.&amp;quot; Because when you lose on flat earth, pivot to even crazier conspiracies.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Classic flerf performance: Duck, dodge, deflect, lie, attack, repeat. FDS executed the playbook flawlessly. 🦝&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Other Info =&lt;br /&gt;
* Spreads [[Wikipedia:QAnon|QAnon]] conspiracy theories.&lt;br /&gt;
* Is responsible for creating the [[&amp;quot;Kid in a basement&amp;quot; rumor]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:YouTube flerfs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Religiflerfs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:American flerfs]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Toona</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Flatter_Day_Saints&amp;diff=6022</id>
		<title>Flatter Day Saints</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.flerf.info/index.php?title=Flatter_Day_Saints&amp;diff=6022"/>
		<updated>2026-02-16T06:45:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Toona: Added debate analysis from Feb 2025 debate vs ADHD Projects&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox|image=File:Flatterdaysaints.jpg|location=US|platform=[https://www.youtube.com/@FLATTER-DAY-SAINTS YouTube]|antisemite=yes|religiflerf=yes|drinksUrine=Distills it first for maximum kidney failure}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Known Accounts =&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.youtube.com/@FLATTER-DAY-SAINTS FLATTER DAY SAINTS]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Debate Analysis =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== February 2025 Debate vs. ADHD Projects ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS participated in a formal debate on Modern Day Debate channel against globe-earther ADHD Projects. The debate format was 10-minute opening statements followed by open discussion and Q&amp;amp;A.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Debate Style ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
FDS exhibited several characteristic flat earth debate tactics:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Burden of Proof Shifting:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS opened by claiming he &amp;quot;doesn&#039;t need to defend flat earth because it&#039;s what our senses tell us&amp;quot; and that globe earth is the &amp;quot;extraordinary claim.&amp;quot; When pressed to explain how southern star trails work on a flat earth, he repeatedly stated &amp;quot;I don&#039;t know, I&#039;ve never been to the Southern Hemisphere.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Semantic Obstruction:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS spent significant time arguing about definitions (&amp;quot;level&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;flat,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;geometry&amp;quot; definitions) rather than addressing evidence. When ADHD cited Merriam-Webster&#039;s definition of level including &amp;quot;conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of earth&#039;s surface,&amp;quot; FDS dismissed it.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Deflection and Topic Changing:&#039;&#039;&#039; When presented with evidence of horizon dip angles measured by theodolite, FDS claimed the photos showed the horizon &amp;quot;in the middle&amp;quot; despite clear evidence to the contrary. When asked to explain southern star trails, he pivoted to discussing the zodiac wheel.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Appeals to Unverified Sources:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS cited an &amp;quot;Army Research Laboratory book called Propagation of Electromagnetic Fields Over Flat Earth&amp;quot; but admitted he hadn&#039;t read it. He also claimed cell phone signals don&#039;t go forever &amp;quot;because signals die out&amp;quot; while dismissing radar distance measurements to the sun and moon.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Personal Attacks:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS called ADHD &amp;quot;disingenuous,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;intellectually dishonest,&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;bro&amp;quot; dismissively throughout the debate.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Evidence Presented ===&lt;br /&gt;
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FDS attempted to use the following arguments:&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Zodiac Wheel:&#039;&#039;&#039; Claimed astrologers use flat earth models (without evidence)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Airplanes:&#039;&#039;&#039; Stated &amp;quot;they&#039;re called airplanes because they go over a plane&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Neil deGrasse Tyson Misquote:&#039;&#039;&#039; Claimed Tyson said earth looks flat from 120,000 feet (actually a misrepresentation of comments about fisheye lens distortion)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Eratosthenes Experiment:&#039;&#039;&#039; Claimed it would work on flat earth (incorrect — the experiment measures angles consistent with a sphere)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Density:&#039;&#039;&#039; Attempted to claim density explains falling objects, dismissed vacuum chamber experiments showing feathers and bowling balls falling at same rate&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Key Failures ===&lt;br /&gt;
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When asked directly to explain:&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Southern star trails rotating around a southern celestial pole:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS admitted &amp;quot;I don&#039;t know&amp;quot; and claimed he &amp;quot;can&#039;t prove&amp;quot; the flat earth model&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;How two observers in Australia and Africa can both look south and see stars rotating around the same point:&#039;&#039;&#039; FDS deflected and eventually admitted he had no explanation&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Sunset directions by hemisphere:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dismissed evidence without explanation&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Closing Statement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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FDS ended with a religious appeal: &amp;quot;If I were to die today, right now, before my Creator, I solemnly swear and attest to everything I said knowingly is true and observable.&amp;quot; He then promoted his YouTube channel and invited viewers to debate &amp;quot;direct energy weapons, chemtrails and radium.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Verdict ===&lt;br /&gt;
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FDS demonstrated typical flerf debate tactics: burden-shifting, definitional quibbling, dismissal of evidence without counter-evidence, and appeals to unverified conspiracy sources. When pressed on specifics of his own model, he repeatedly admitted ignorance or inability to explain observed phenomena.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Other Info =&lt;br /&gt;
* Spreads [[Wikipedia:QAnon|QAnon]] conspiracy theories.&lt;br /&gt;
* Is responsible for creating the [[&amp;quot;Kid in a basement&amp;quot; rumor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:American flerfs]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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